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The Advertising Standards Authority has told Apple UK not to show an advert which suggested the iPhone contained "all parts of the internet" any more. The iPhone cannot access websites which use Java or Flash despite its claim that "all parts of the internet are on the iPhone". Two members of the public complained about the TV …

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Joke

Give me strength

Wow 2 people complained........no one in their right mind believes what advertises tell them, they are paid to sprout complete bo11ox5. Who believes that if you don't have BT broadband your relationship will breakdown because your using non BT broadband? I might as well go trip in the foyer and make a claim whilst phoning Ocean finance to sort out my finances.

Surely more people complained about that loan company advert with the retard wanting to watch the footie or the geordie "Josh, Daddys found your scooter"

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Happy

lolwhut?

"cannot access websites which use Java or Flash"

Seriously? I mean... seriously? Once again a phone tries to get above it's station. So it was too hard to get it working J2ME? I may be missing something here isn't that fairly standard on mobiles these days (and for years)? Well done Apple, proving yet again why MS are so dominant. btw, I'm not an MS fan or anything, just saying.

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hehe

hehehehe....

<chuckle>

hahahahaha....

<font size="7">BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</font>

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All they'll do...

is put a tiny little text banner at the bottom of the screen, reading something like this;

"Actual web browsing experience may not replicate pages fully due to web page incompatibility beyond the control of Apple / O2"

Or something similar.

Because it's not their fault, is it.

Allegedly.

(Legal Stuff. This is a personal opinion, not intended to cast any aspersions on any technical or other aspects of any Apple or O2 product or service)

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A bit harsh

Damn, that's a bit harsh. Even if they had Flash and Java, they'd not do ActiveX or streaming DivX, so they can't browse the whole internet?

I can see where they're coming from, but I think it's a little petty.

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Jobs Horns

Apple lying *shock*

What a surprise. Apple saying their systems do some thing they do not. How many times has this happened now? and how many times have they got away with it?

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Obvious

This was obvious right from the start. As much as some of us hate flash or how much of a drain it is on battery life it is a big part of the internet and Apple can't ignore it. This can only help Apple in so much as people's expectations should be biased on truthful advertising now.

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Jobs Horns

Cue Webster!

Go on, boy, give it some - you know you want to!

Evil Steveil, just because...

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Jobs Halo

Since when...

...were flash and java web standards compliant? A whole 2 complainants as well!!! The Jesusphone would benefit from java and flash - but that ain't Steve's problem per se...

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Enough already

Ok, enough with calling it the Jesusphone. I'm not a God botherer but this kind of juvenile namecalling is really starting to get on my tits.

It reminds me of a 2nd grader who heard the big kids using naughty language and thought it would be cool to join in. Get over it and find something original to say.

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Apple Story Overload

Of the top 18 articles on the site at the moment (by order on screen) 6 are Apple related. I know your a little less blinded by Apple's supposed wonder than most tech sites so at least they aren't all blind fanboyism, but I really don't have that much interest in Apple products.

I hope I'm not the only reader of this 'tech news' site who doesn't want to know every little happening within the 'Job's reality distortion field'.

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Sat nav

The O2 iPhone adverts also imply full sat nav - which the iPhone does not support.

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Yes but...

..that inability to run Flash or Java isn't really a technical limitation per se. Someone high up in the Apple tree decided that those technologies were not going to be available.

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WTF?

So much for the great phone, if it cannot even support flash.

Up in flames it goes!

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all parts?

so not even all parts of the web then. The "internet" is a big place with lots of protocols (http, ftp, telnet, gopher, smtp etc.. etc...) and types of server software (tor, counterstrike ;), torrent - blah blah...etc... ) ...so it's a much bigger lie than the ASA acknowledge.

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Jobs Horns

"all parts of the internet are on the iPhone"

that would take some rather impressive storage capacity...

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Jobs Horns

Apple bending the truth (to snapping point)

Is the pope catholic?

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Yet they allow ISPs to keep asvertising 'Unlimited' broadband...

I bet more than two people have complained about that!

Need an angry icon!

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Jobs Halo

Crazy

In the full adjudication, it says:

"Clearcast said, in order to assess the claims, they saw a demonstration of the iPhone and in particular the internet functionality. They said a number of websites were chosen at random and they appeared to work as described in the ad. They said, on the basis of the demonstration and the advertiser's assurances, they were content to approve the claims relating to access to the internet."

So, even after a demonstration of the iPhone's internet functionality, where they concluded it accessed the internet as described in the ad - the ASA still upheld the complaint...?! What are they on?

Since when did proprietary technologies used on a minority of sites, become synonymous with the open standards based 'internet' as a whole?

I don't hear people complaining they can't access "all parts of the internet" on PCs without Flash or Java...

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Jobs Horns

Bit like the millions of colours screens

Apples union with the truth and the law has never been a good one and only when it suits them.

Why doesn't the iPhone support flash ? because apple doesn't want it to.

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internet != web

This is all by the by, "all parts of the internet" should also include ftp, nntp, ssh clients etc. Or did they really mean all parts of the web (which they still got wrong).

Alien because it looks a bit like steve jobs.

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How about stuff protocols other than HTTP?

They're part of the internet too...

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Happy

Re:My previous post..

perhaps we should just make sure that more than two people have complained about the 'Unlimited' broadband adverts..

<http://www.asa.org.uk/asa/how_to_complain/>

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But .....

Java has now been released under the GPL, and there are efforts towards a GPL Flash player alternative (Gnash) which is known to work with YouTube. And there are instructions to create homebrew iPhone applications.

So surely someone could cross-compile GPL Java and Gnash, and install the resulting binaries on an iPhone?

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You're better off without it

Sites which use java or flash are, by and large, using it to cause ANNOYANCE.

Most of the world's worst web sites would be greatly improved if ALL browsers failed to support java, flash and any script which involves timeout coding.

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Jobs Halo

Bluetooth?

I was told my iPhone would support Bluetooth standards - it duzzent.

But in the case of this advert, I support Apple. Safari supports web compatibility standards admirably. By including Java and Flash as 'standards' on the internet, we are opening publishers up to the possibility of providing sites that ONLY work with these technologies. Do you really want to come to The Register and find you can only view the front page in a whizzy Flash format, and only comment once you've logged in with a Java applet? Uuurgh.

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@Daniel

"Ok, enough with calling it the Jesusphone. I'm not a God botherer but this kind of juvenile namecalling is really starting to get on my tits.

It reminds me of a 2nd grader who heard the big kids using naughty language and thought it would be cool to join in. Get over it and find something original to say."

I do like the way you use the childish phrase, "god botherer" in your very first paragraph. Original, pithy, mature... Clearly we can all learn from your standards!

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Javascript

Whilst I agree about the whole Flash thing (never seen the point, annoys the crap out of me and crashes the version of IE I'm forced to use at work) I think you'll find every Internet Banking site in existence uses Javascript.

So do all those wonderful people above, who claim Javascript should be bannished to hell because it is not a "standard", do all their banking in the high street or are we just dealing with the usual bunch of blinkered ass-holes who like jumping on band wagons and high-horses because it's "cool"?

Incidentally, I hate Javascript. But that's because I have to write Internet Banking systems using it and Firefox and Internet Explorer have a rather fundamental disagreement concerning what bits of Javascript should be implemented and it makes my life hell.

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Yet....

If I complain about the blatant miss-advertising of internet services to the ASA, they don't want to know. They've refused to uphold any complaints regarding "Unlimited Broadband" when clearly it's not "unlimited", and (apparently) not misleading either!?

I really can't see why this complaint would be upheld when other more serious and wide reaching ones aren't.

I can only presume poor old Apple forgot to pay the appropriate iBung & the ISP's didn't.

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But seriously,

It can't multi-task, it can't copy & paste, it can't take video, it can't mms, it can't be used as a modem with your laptop, it can't do bluetooth properly, it has limited browsing ability... Why can't the sodding thing just politely assume its correct niche in the market; that is, a very nice mid-range proprietary feature phone that runs limited proprietary applications (but not j2me, like the rest of the world). Why this evangelical insistence that it's something more than that?

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Flash = Annoying Sites

Look at the dilbert site, they made that all flash and it takes forever to load even on a decent connection.

Thank goodness for www.dilbert.com/fast

Also should every site offer a non flash / non java site to comply with disabilities?

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RE: all parts? el al.

Indeed, it really winds me up when people talk about "The internet" and mean "The Web", or whatever. I can forgive the APs, but anyone associated with technology should know that "The Internet" is far more than a few websites.

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Those 2 complainants

........ are the only 2 people who have got the ruddy thing to work so far

boom boom

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@James Bassett

Erm... you need to learn the huge difference between JAVA and JAVASCRIPT.

It's JAVA the iPhone doesn't support - read the article. It has great JAVASCRIPT support, which means every banking site I've ever tried works perfectly...

Clueless aren't you?

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web n00bs

For the web n00bs, who are happy to post in comments on el Reg :), have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_protocols and look at the Application layer protocols ;) There's more than just HTTP (and what gets me is the majority of you use POP3 every single day...sigh)

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Joke

@Apple bending the truth (anonymous coward)

Depends if he's got a Jesusphone.....

Anyway, what's the matter with Flash, surely you need it for the camera to work in the dark?

okay, okay, exit stage left....

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Jobs Horns

@Webster Phreaky

"I don't hear people complaining they can't access "all parts of the internet" on PCs without Flash or Java..."

Lolwhut?

Mayhap there are no complaints from PC owners because if we want Flash or Java we just download them for free and install them?

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Re: Javascript

I would have hoped someone that developed Internet Banking systems would know that JavaScript and Java are not the same thing.

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@James Bassett

Java Script <> Java.

Surely this is the fault of the web site programmers who are too lazy or too incapable to provide proper "No Flash" alternatives to their sites.

I really think it is time we criminalized us of the phrase "This site requires ... "

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@Neil Hoskins

Here, have some Kool-Aid at the remote Apple compound and put on your jumpsuit. Everything will become clear...

Once more with feeling... Fuck Apple.

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Jobs Halo

It doesn't support ActiveX? Thankgod!

I wasn't going to buy one, but now i've read it doesn't support such a crap security breaching standard i think i'll go out and purchase one today! Thankyou Apple!

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There's a lot of FUD going on here.

The ASA's flagrant misunderstanding of W3C standards notwithstanding, the lack of Adobe Flash -- Apple don't get to produce their own version without being sued -- and Java are hardly showstoppers.

The lack of Java is, frankly, no great loss. It serves little purpose other than to annoy and it has so many "standards" of its own that complaining that a phone doesn't run one of them is hypocritical to say the least: which version of Java would you like it to have? J2ME? J2EE? (The iPhone runs on OS X, not Symbian or WM6.) How about one of the umpteen variants that still exist on embedded platforms? Or perhaps one or two of the older JVMs that are still installed by default on desktops?

Would the real "Java" PLEASE stand up!

@James Bassett: Javascript (officially known "ECMAScript") *is* supported on iPhone. Javascript has nothing to do with Java other than looking a bit like it at times if you squint your eyes a little and view it from a distance.

As for accessing the whole Internet: yes it can.

Just because you don't get FTP, WebDAV and other Internet apps supplied by default, it doesn't mean they can't be written. There's a full, proper OS in there with a *complete* TCP/IP stack. None of it is limited and there are plenty of third-party apps that let you do whatever you want. The only reason you can't run VOIP apps on it (in certain territories) is because Apple won't put them on its App Store, not because the iPhone can't handle it.

(FYI: I'm the proud owner of a Nokia 2630.)

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@James Bassett

Javascript != Java Applet

The end. Twat. Were you the judge in this case? 'Cause clearly he is a twat as well. Techinically, you _can_ reach all parts of the Internet (or at least all parts of the web, but anyone who knows the difference wouldn't pay any attention to this claim) it merely chooses not to display them quite the way that the auther intended. A bit like people visiting with Internet Exploder...

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Have a break...

"You can't multi-task, you can't copy & paste! You can't take video! You can't MMS! You can't be used as a modem with your laptop! You can't do Bluetooth properly! You have negligibly limited web-browsing features!"

[Unwraps Kit-Kat and eats it...]

"You'll go a long way!"

(For the young 'uns, here's the original 1980s ad: http://video.aol.com/video-detail/kitkat-1980-s-retro-advert/1332649792)

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@James Bassett

I am one of the people who thing the world would be a better place without javascript. I know, the article was about Java and Flash not Javascript. Very occasionally there is a good reason for some noncompulsory javascript. I have ye to see a reason for Flash and Java.

I do not use internet banking at all, so I do walk into my nearest branches when necessary. I have heard good things about the HSBC web site, but not enough to get me to try it.

It would be nice to send gpg signed emails instead of cheques. It would be nice to receive gpg encrypted statements signed by my bank - if they gave a real commitment not to use my email address for junk mail.

A browser is too big and complicated to trust with my investments. I might be tempted if the site worked with lynx.

Unfortunately using gpg securely requires a tiny bit of effort on the part of the customer, so 99% of them will never be able to handle it. How much am I paying so the banks can fart about with flashy web pages that encourage users to use security flawed software?

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@Bothwell

:-)

Hoist, petard etc

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"access"

I can "access" every book in a library, but doesn't mean I can understand them all...

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A tweak to the ad would do

"All of the interwebs (except the really, really crap bits)"

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Reality Check?

Clearly the Java issue is at the bottom of the list as to what the iPhone DOESN'T have and do! ...And its p*ssing me off!

...As for flash... clearly a love hate relationship. Try Rolex.com and see how evil Flash can be - its funny.

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@Daniel

As in lion's den, presumably...

"enough with calling it the Jesusphone"

Makes a change from iPhone, which, frankly, gets on my tits, as does 'i'-anything, really.

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