A search engine hacker has uncovered fresh evidence that the Chinese women's gymnastic team cheated by fielding underage competitors. Doubts surfaced even before the competition that as many as half the members of the six-strong team - who won China's first ever team gold medal at the Beijing Olympics last week - are far younger …
‘Hacker unearths young Chinese gymnast scam’
... And... ??
If they can't tell the difference between a 14 year old and a 16 year old then Gary Glitter is collecting his ticket as we speak
'Chinese bend over backwards to attract ageing British Rocker'
Imagine if america did this
...some kids would burn a bunch of cars in a riot.
China does this... "these are not the documents you are looking for"
Penguin, because open source is communism really.
IOC Fat cats
Nothing new here, IOC never get involved or care what the local organising committees do. As along the sponsors and broadcasters are happy, they simply don't give a damn. A bunch of fat cats taking back handers at every turn. IOC are in fact worse then most giant corporations, in terms how they apply their rules. They are a law onto themselves answerable to no one. Unfortunately IOC care little about sports and the athletes who take part in them.
" "and I believe that united they will be able to make state-sponsored censorship a thing of the past."
Awefull hypocrisy comming from anyonme in the UK or USA
Stand up to the dragon
I don't know why so many people and organizations are afraid to deal with China and just tell them "China stop cheating or stomping all over human rights". For the IOC to say we don't do check ID's at the door is a cop out. I guess the IOC president doesn't mind when competitors are caught doping either.
Not even the UK or US has managed to make a massacre of students by tanks in a main square in one of their capital cities vanish.
Old enough to dive....
But our 14yr old diver was OK?
Doubly hypocritical given how much diving is like gymnastics.
Sooo basically China proved that the younger less experienced Gymnast can whoop the shit out of the older 16 and 18 year olds. If the U.S. did it, we would loose. It's hard enough for the 16-18 years olds to keep it together mentally, they break down to easy.
Re: The irony
"Awefull (sic) hypocrisy comming (sic) from anyonme (sic) in the UK or USA"
Yes, because everyone in the UK and USA obviously agrees implicitly with state-sponsored censorship, even those people who didn't vote for the policies of the current administrations or previous ones, and especially those who protest against such things.
Fair criticism of unjust behaviour should not be governed by the extension of idiotic "they're all the same" and "the people are in one mind with the glorious leader" labelling to every nation from those whose propaganda machines deliver and provoke such messages and responses with enthusiasm, in such a way that no-one can point the finger at anyone without the kind of whining about "hypocrisy" that we see here. In fact, fair criticism and mature debate are all about eliminating such intellectually lazy generalisations, seeing the diversity of opinion everywhere, and recognising that a valid complaint is still valid regardless of where it came from.
Living in the same country as a bunch of people who want to censor lots of stuff of legitimate interest to the general public shouldn't undermine one's right to criticise that behaviour wherever one sees it. Unless, of course, you subscribe to the one-dimensional "political situations for idiots" (or "how to think of world politics as a bunch of sports teams") worldview mentioned above.
'uneven bars'? didn't it used to be 'asymmetric bars'?
Yes, she's underage and yes, it's appalling state-sponsored fraud and yes, it's bordering on child cruelty, but damn, that girl can swing on them bars.
She'll be 18 in 2012 and, all going well, will be fit to compete in London.
Before these Olympics, I had zero interest in gymnastics, but the amazing shows by the Chinese (three underage stars?) and the Americans made for excellent entertainment.
Oh, and the Chinese lie and censor it on the internet? How is this news again?
... or maybe the UK and US are much better at making a massacre of students by tanks in a main square in one of their capital cities vanish ... from what I've seen its about as easy to find any evidence of this as it is to find an elephant (with painted toenails) in a cherry tree
Hmm, if the Chinese girl was disqualified, then Britain's Beth Tweddle would get bronze.
How can you tell?
@an underage gymnast
Given that something like 32,692.7 world records have been broken (and in some cases absolutely pissed on) at these Olympics already I suspect that there are more important cheaty based shenanigans to be looking into than the age of a couple of gymnasts.
"one of their capital cities vanish ".....
Like the US of Good ol A have made New Orleans vanish so they don't have to worry about re-building it?
TBH, the USA can't throw stones, because of the disgusting way the ppl of New Orleans have been treated.
As for making people vanish? Guantanamo? Extraordinary rendition?
Hmm China up to naughty tricks in sport again, anyone remember the Aussie customs catching their swimming team red handed carrying a load of human growth hormone. I would wager that there is a national doping program.
Why St Bill, because he never did anything underhand at M$ (cough)
Why not go the whole hog and get Yang Yilin banned as well as she's allegedly underage, too.
Beth would then get silver.
She should have got Bronze as it was; her performance was much more dynamic and exciting than Yang Yilin's safe-but-tidy routine. Much like Horton's silver should have been gold, being Chinese at these Olympics is worth a few tenths.
I think your mate Gary might want somewhere to bunk down for a couple of nights, could you pick him up from Heathrow later ?
Or maybe she is 16 and it was the other document that was falsified
It seems unlikely, but we can't leap to the obvious conclusion that her real age is 14 because the original document was correct. It's possible (as many other web commentators have pointed out) that the documents that have recently been found are the false ones - they relate to a local competition that requires the entrants to be between 13 and 15, so she could have had her age *lowered* to compete in these competitions. It doesn't mean that there aren't age shenanigans going on, but don't jump to conclusions just because it's what everyone else is saying.
Others (I believe I read an interview with a coach for a former Soviet union country - no link now sorry) have noted that this has happened for other countries in the past. It doesn't make it right, but pointing the finger at China without recognising that others do it to is just another kind of hypocrisy.
Re: JonB, I believe the contradiction is explained by the decision that, for many gymnastic events, being younger than 16 confers certain advantages that older competitors don't have (I guess it's something to do with weight/muscle ratios), but also that the training required to compete at Olympic levels can seriously damage the physical development of the body at that age. Presumably, the Olympic committees have decided that this is not the case for diving.
massacre of students
Does anyone remember Kent state?
What the devil are you ranting about? New Orleans is still there, and just as shitty as it always was. It was a dump before, it's still a dump, and will always be a dump. The people in New Orleans treat themselves poorly - they don't need help from anyone else.
"Asymmetric bars" was an improper name. They are indeed symmetric along two axes--along a line that intersects both bars halfway and along a parallel line exactly halfway between them. Thus the term "uneven"--describing that each bar is a different height and thus not "even" to each other.
People become less flexible as they age--simple human biology. Younger ladies thus possess more natural flexibility and are better capable of bending themselves as needed for gymnastics events (which on the women's side usually place an emphasis on flexibility and agility--for the men, there's an added focus on strength).
"Not even the UK or US has managed to make a massacre of students by tanks in a main square in one of their capital cities vanish."
Of course, to the best of my knowledge we haven't HAD a massacre of students by tanks in a main square in the US or UK. Of course, if we DID have one and they really DID cover it up very, very well, would I know???
Great UK re-action there. Can't look at kids unless your a perv.
Nothing new under the People's sun
China using underage labor to cheat, no really?
The PRC already enriches the inner circle by using underage labor to make shoddy expensive goods for the West, why not for the Olympics?
IOC President Jacques Rogge is an arrogant effete ass and should get the chop before new years.
The IOC in general as it is currently formed should be ripped apart and replaced.
So where do we start the campaign to get Beth Tweddle the bronze she should have won in the uneven bars were it not for the Chinese winner cheating?
Quote from Frankie Boyle - "Watching gymnastics is just like paedophilia for cowards..."
Maybe the IOC allow it because it gives 'em big stiffies.....
"TBH, the USA can't throw stones, because of the disgusting way the ppl of New Orleans have been treated.."
The "disgusting way" they were treated, huh??? Care to add some details on what exactly these disgusting treatments were???
Let's recap, shall we?
1) The city is BELOW sea level.
2) It sits right next a HUGE freaking river.
3) The FEDERAL money that has poured into that city for DECADES to upgrade and reinforce the levies was DIVERTED by local city officials (most socialist Democrats no less) for "other" purposes because, hey, the levies were holding up NOW, so why bother making them better???
4) The people in general didn't have a CLUE how to take care of themselves. Or each other.
5) The local governments didn't have a CLUE how to take care of the citizens.
6) Federal agencies COULD NOT help out until ASKED to by the local governments. In case you have forgotten, the USA is actually a REPUBLIC and NOT a DEMOCRACY. The Federal government doesn't have the authority NOR the responsibility to manage local issues. But they CAN help if asked. If I remember, it was several DAYS after all this started before the governor actually asked for assistance.
7) BILLIONS of dollars where POURED into this little below sea level hole by the US government, US citizens, other governments and other people of the world. Heck, foreign governments contributed 850 million dollars in aid alone. The US government over 70 billion and growing.
Yup. We REALLY mistreated these folks.
Now compare this to the recent flooding of the Mississippi river. Whole towns were wiped off the map. Did you see all the same crap that came out of New Orleans? Murder? Rape? Theft? Cries of "government didn't save us!!!"??? 24/7 press coverage for the first year???
Because THEY actually KNEW the job of looking after their own skins rested SQUARELY on THEIR shoulders. Not the Mayor's. Not the Governor's. Not the President's. THEIR shoulders.
And they actually DID take care of themselves. And they took care of their neighbors. And even people they had never met, but needed help. You had people filling sand bags to build emergency levies to protect someone else's home after their own home had been destroyed! And they would make comments like "There is nothing I can do for my home, so I might as well help protect this one."
Of course, the TV coverage of this flood ended almost before the flood waters dropped. No story here. No raping. No murders. No whole sale looting. Why, these people are actually WORKING TOGETHER to save what they can! There is no story here.
So Ian, as one American that was totally appalled (if not surprised) by how the whole Katrina thing played out, let me be the first to say: Up yours.
massare - US or UK - IDIOTS !!!
anyone who says that the US or UK had a massacre of students is an idiot.
If that happened here there would be mass rioting and the government would have major problems trying to stay in power.
Its about time someone stands upto the Chinese and tells them to stop cheating and treating us all like shit
It's the UK didn't you know you are now guilty until proven innocent ?
Davenport Lyons anyone ?
@ Ian Bonham
>>>TBH, the USA can't throw stones, because of the disgusting way the ppl of New Orleans have been treated.
You're right, it's absolutely disgusting that the federal government dumped millions of tax dollars into a city that is below sea level next to the ocean, just to cover for the people that didn't have flood insurance.
Yup, it's completely disgusting.
The people of New Orleans should have packed up and moved to higher ground - ground that was kept dry by nature, rather than by old, poorly maintained STATE operated levees. The STATE government should have done something with the millions of dollars of relief materials the federal government put at their disposal, but they didn't.
But that's right, it's all the federal government's fault - it's all Bush's fault that the state and local governments didn't do their jobs. I forgot, it's hip to blame Bush. You go girl!
If there are rules in the Olympics, even the Communists should abide by them
The Problem Is, Charlie
"People become less flexible as they age--simple human biology. Younger ladies thus possess more natural flexibility and are better capable of bending themselves as needed for gymnastics events (which on the women's side usually place an emphasis on flexibility and agility--for the men, there's an added focus on strength)."
I can't see raising the age entrance a year or two will make a great difference and it can't in all cases but..
The problem with encouraging overtraining in any sport or excercise that can strain tendons and muscles is that youngsters' bones are cartilageous hence children are more flexible.
Keeping them under physical duress can cause lasting bone damage with deterioration of bones at 20 to 30 years. It was the scourge of England when all males had to practice archery too often and perhaps with too heavy a bow.
And it would have been a factor in the poor health of English children when working laws were almost non existant.
The Olympics committee will be looking into the matter with some very serious concern.
Were there any comments on the Reg about the so called fireworks display or the dubbed singer at the opening ceremony?
@gizmo23, re: massacre of students
Does anyone remember Kent state?
Wow! What a great example of censorship and making an atrocity disappear! A link to a page that is hosted ... at the place where it happened. I'm certain that's the only US based website that talks about it. Shhhh! We wouldn't want it taken down.
I'm so looking forward to you producing the Chinese hosted official explanation of Tiananmen Square. Oh, wait ...
Please keep your argument/logic flaws to a minimum.
US = not saints. However, if you are seriously putting them on the same level as China, you either have an irrational hatred complex, or love grape Kool Aid.
@ hipocrits celebrating their drugs cheat heros
All you lot saying chinese cheating, sure underage like your shitty lil diver in the mens, but lets look at all the dopers...
They are all American, British, Russian and German. Christina Ohorogu or whatever she is a cheat (read the papers if you care), Dwain Chambers is a cheat, Linfod Christie is a cheat. The tonnes of Americans being caught left right and centre with marian jones taking the crown.
Also CARL LEWIS still celebrated as a olympic hero, he is a DRUGS CHEAT that tested positive THREE times, yes 3. Yet he was still allowed to goto the olympic games that year where he got 2 gold. His excuse: "There were hundreds of people getting off," does nothing to protect his reputation. Tainted piece of dirt and its a joke he calls for doping to be a crime.
Keep on dreaming folks, how any Americans or british athletes can criticise Chinese athletes is a joke.
It's the UK -- didn't you know you are now guilty despite being proven innocent ?
There, fixed it for you.
@ Spam and other idiots
Slavery and second rate black people were acceptable by governments in the west. And still you have institutionalised racism even at the highest ranks of Metropolitan Police in the UK. A British government that spends billions on a haemorrhaging NHS that couldn't even organise a piss up in a brewery.
Those that think the Tiananmen square massacre is forgotten in China then you idiots need to shut the hell up. And if your going to comment on it at least do the dead the decency of googling the proper name of the event. Rather than 'the massacre'.
Jacques Rogge sounds cynical and dishonest
IOC President Jacques Rogge said "It's not the task of the IOC to check every one of the 10,000 athletes."
This is something that nobody had suggested.
The suggestion is that given evidence of a systematic fraud, the IOC should take some notice.
Do something with this
Contact your national Olympic Committee about this and ask them to protest the results (especially you Brits with something to gain). See what you can find about the other two girls; even circumstantial evidence that all three's ages were falsified should get some attention. Send it to (reputable) newspapers, get this outside of just techie sites and the blogosphere.
As for New Orleans, abandon it and build a new, better city. With the sea level rising, land subsiding, and loss of barrier islands/marshes, it's doomed. The USGS (which makes rather conservative estimates) predicts a 1-meter drop relative to sea level by 2100. A Category 3 hurricane's storm surge would be 5 meters above ground level. "Landfall of a Category 5 hurricane in New Orleans would place [it] at 10.5 m or more below storm-surge level by the end of the 21st century." Not including the waves, which would add a couple more meters. Good luck keeping that out.
re: massacre of students
Kent State was one, but I'd say that for the full "coverup" thing, the Mexican government had a very good try at this with the 1968 Tlatelolco massacre.
Official death count: 20.
Real death count: 400+
Add up that some recently declassified documents from the Pentagon show that the US was involved at some level with this. So yeah, the Chinese aren't exactly the only ones covering up a massacre.
The vulture flew too close to the Chihuahua building...
I'd post something here...
...but I've run dry on ludicrous non-sequitur outrage. Maybe, uhh.. let me see...
"People in the UK shouldn't talk about the outrage in the US being censorship in China after what they did India who have honor killings and World War 2 France murder. Israel!!!!"
Is that good?
I think the issue is that the international governing body of gymnastics set the rules that one has to be 16 to compete, and in a similar way the governing body for diving set rules that competitors have to be 14 to compete - the rules aren't Olympics-wide rules, they're rules for the individual sports. In any case, the discrepancy between the minimum ages also likely has to do with the fact that gymnastics is a weight-bearing, high-impact sport with a high rate of injuries, whereas diving is not really weight-bearing at all (granted, the moves are the similar, but the divers don't have to fling their entire body weight around with just their arms, or land on a still relatively solid mat from a jump that propels them a couple meters into the air) and carries a much lower risk for injuries.
A lot of rumours were flying round about conditions in the football stadium in New Orleans - murders, rapes and so on. They were reported on the news, but were never confirmed or substaniated:
Sure, there were guns & looting, but there were also bodies floating in the water & countless dead. Seems like the scale of devastation after Katrina compared to the more recent floods was an order of magnitude different.
Note that the story about 'attempted rapes' in the collection linked to above (direct link: http://www.snopes.com/katrina/personal/utah.asp) is false.
Lots of stories about the behaviour of the Katrina 'refugees' when they arrived in neighbouring states. I'm gonna stick my neck out & say that it seemed to me that there was a lot of 'lazy blacks' versus 'hardworking whites' behind that. And course there was the whole 'finding' versus 'looting' distinction too:
Anyway, the story behind the Chinese gymnast article is the Chinese goverment's ability to influence companies like Google to remove documents they find 'undesirable', not pedos, nor massacres...
It's easy to remove documents from the Google Cache yourself if you bother to find out how.
Paris because she wishes she knew how.
Taking the piss
They can check the piss of athletes but not the age eh?