they ripped the heart and soul out of a game so they could market it as "new and improved" when it neither. Typical really.

Bill, because it's his fault. Somehow.

...I always thought the revolver was a pistol.

"And the revolver is now a pistol."

Part of the attraction of Cluedo is the timeless "Agatha Christie" setting.

Perhaps El Reg could introduce its own version...

"I think it was the PFY, in the Call Centre, with the Cattle Prod"

Mine's the one with the curious oriental dagger in the pocket.

"...I always thought the revolver was a pistol."

True, but they're not the same thing. A revolver is a pistol, but not all pistols are revolvers.

Tux, 'cos I like bird meat.

Guess I won't be buying that game. Unless it's an old copy on eBay. :-)

It depends on how pedantic we're being...

A pistol is usually defined as "a small firearm designed to be held in one hand", but also described in some dictionaries as "having its chanmber integral with its barrel", which strictly speaking, a revolver's chambers aren't.

Irrespective, why the heck do companies feel the need to mess with familar things all the time?

Mine's the one with the "Pedant" logo on the back.

Cee Tee

In the US, a revolver always refers to a handgun that holds ammunition in the classic barrel (usually 5-6 shots). A pistol is a generic term for a revolver, a semi-automatic pistol, or any other type of hand held gun, typically one of the smaller calibers.

Bill - because it's all about the money & so is he

A professor is not modern? I'd better give my old college a call, somehow I think they haven't heard this.

I could go on about kids these days but I won't; I'm getting an old game, in case the one we had when I was a kid has been ruined or lost.

(No "Die, Hasbro, die" icon so I took the next best one.)

...with a focus group.

It was Osama Bin Laden in the cave with the poisonous gas

Barry, in Cluedo, Colonel Mustard never dies. He may be the murderer, but he doesn't die. The dead guy is named Mr. Black, but he's not a playable character and doesn't really come up in the course of the game play.

Also, since Hasbro seems to be a giant multinational conglomerate, the obvious question is whether Jack Mustard played soccer or gridiron...

Paris, because I'm as confused as she is by *everything*.

On behalf of us Americans, I apologize - I recall playing clue when I was a kid, and this just baffles me. Clue, without the old school revolver, without the lead pipe? How can you envision cold-blooded murder without a lead pipe?

I can just imagine some fat moron at Hasbro HQ thinking "We've got to punch this up for the LOL, OMG, interwebs generation. The kids eat this stuff up."

So now it's going to be "It was Paris, in the hot tub, with a night-vision camera." Or maybe "It was Lindsay, in rehab, with a Blackberry."

Siiigghh.

"Irrespective, why the heck do companies feel the need to mess with familar things all the time?"

So they can bring back the older, popular version as an overpriced "Classic Edition".

Me, in the Library, with Paris.

New Coke.

Don't mess with a classic.

Kind of like how they removed revenge from the game of "LIFE".

What I don't understand is why all this focus to make the games nicer. And yes, many of these companies are owned by conglomerates releasing violent video games.

I swear, what we need is a violent first person shooter "board game". Blow off parts of your opponent and see guts flying. *lol*

The question is actually whether Jack Mustard played League or Union.

The picture on the Revolver card in my box is definitely of a semi-automatic pistol, and ditto for the actual playing piece itself.

Paris, just because.

they will sue your pants off!

You simply 'can't has the classics'.

Unless, as one poster put it, you want a moldy board from eBay.

A board (Game) thats threatens the interests of HASBEEN Games. A murder most horrid as Jeff Black the companies chief Games designed is slaughtered using a pencil and bottle of Tipex while listening to JayZ in the Board Room, It is your mission if you plan to except it, to discover which one of the following m*rons did the evil deed.

Prof Plumbly Vermicelli - Chairman

Scalet Golddigger - President, Chief Executing Officer

Rev Hartheives - CFO,COO, Executive Vice President

Hagler White - Senior Vice President

Peacock Falsbooby - Senior Vice President, Treasurer

Dohberah Peach Senior Vice President, Controller

It was the Moderatrix in the basement with the cat-o-nine tails.

For an IT angle: it was Hans Reiser, in the garage, with a hard disk.

mount -t ext3 /dev/coat /media/coat && exit

I also made my UK debut in 1949.

Please don't describe ME as a 60 year old.

The Hoddie, in the Bus Stop, with the MAC-10.

The lil'bastard.

Sounds like another design by committee

http://usedwigs.com/video-stop-sign-designed-by-committee/

They're either going to announce that due to public outcry the plan has been shelved, after they've basked in their free publicity; or they're going to introduce Clue(do) Classic in a few months time, after they've basked in their free publicity.

It's a bloody classic! By all means come out with a "C21-luedo" but you shouldn't screw up a classic.

And to answer your title, in another 20 years it'll seem hopelessly outdated rather than just "classic" or "old".

Finally, if you were going to create a decent modern one then CSI is an entirely unsuitable model as you'd make the game 100x more complex. Adn you'd lose your hearing every so often. On the upside, there would be killer robots.

I have fond memory of the movie (Tim Curry did a *great* job as the butler).

Hmmm... I think the local toy shop still has the "bookcase" edition of the game (box made to look like a leather-bound book). I'll have to go pick up a copy before they "upgrade" their stock.

"your mission if you plan to except it"

"I could except if the replaced the lead pipe with a Machete or khukuri "

The word is "accept"!!!!

Revolvers REVOLVE a chamber around to the firing pin. (standard police, 'can't hit a barn door with' type).

Pistols use the back compression of a cartridge to eject a round and chamber the next from a spring loaded clip. (Pistol-Piston - get the mechanics?)

There is no confusion, unless you think dum-dum's did not evolve from colonial India.

If the rejiggered Clue(do) sells, they win -- and they're already getting free PR via articles such as this. I mean, if they hadn't done this, none of us would be thinking about Clue(do) today.

If the bastardized game doesn't sell well, they just reissue "Classic Clue(do)" amid a PR frenzy ala Classic Coke. Again, they win.

Not saying I approve or anything. When I was a kid, the whole Agatha Christie environment felt period and foreign -- and cool. That was part of the whole mystique. It was called a pistol, not a handgun as one would have expected. It was a lead pipe for Heaven's sake -- after figuring out what they did to our brains, no-one has used lead pipes since the Romans. I've never seen a lead pipe in my life. So, back to what I said first. They're doing this just because they can and think it'll work. Not because it it's for the better.

Here's hoping it backfires and we get the Classic Coke scenario and the world is right again.

There is no real 'Clue'.. it's just a bastardisation :)

Mines the one with the revolver, smelling slightly of cordite, in the pocket.

"Pistol" refers to the form of the weapon (single-handed firearm), while "Revolver" refers to the method of moving fresh rounds to the firing mechanism. During the War of the Rebellion, Colt manufactured a revolving rifle for cavalry use (although the size would most often be described as a carbine), proving that not all revolvers are pistols, just as not all pistols are revolvers.

Unhelpfully, my copy of Chenhall's "Revised Nomenclature for Museum Cataloging" lists both "Revolver" and "Pistol" as related terms, but includes the more specific "Pistol, Semi-Automatic" for the weapon that I believe we are discussing.

> no-one has used lead pipes since the Romans. I've never seen a lead pipe in my life.

That's not true.

lead piping was used right up to WWII...

People are still ripping out lead piping and replacing them with copper or plastic to this day as they buy older houses and renovate them.

If these are Made in China, there will damn well still be lead in the game.

Mr Freeman, in the Large Hadron Collider facility, with the crowbar.

It is just another attempot by those backwoods colonials to Yankify yet another great British thing.

Look at the turdpiles that most attempts at that turn into.

Black helicopters coz the yanks are trying to take over the world.

Surly you ment the "Music Room"?

I don't recall any [Glass] enclosed Patio's (ain't that what you Brits call Conservatoies?). Yeah I've been watching to many Home Improvement Show on Astra 3 (BBC & Channel 4)...