Home Office minister gets tough, then gets stuck
kempsy
The Sun #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 13:01 GMT

Have they been hiring Sun journalists as Press Officers?
Andy H
Some alternatives #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 13:01 GMT
adamant, adamantine, aggressive, bold, crustaceous, durable, enduring, feisty, fibrous, forceful, hard-nosed, hardy, impassive, inured, resilient, resistant, spartan, stoical, stubborn, tenacious, threatening.
min
tough! #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 13:01 GMT
tough on bullsh1t, tough on the purveyors of bullsh1t? bullsh1tters....
Anonymous Coward
NuLabour NuHormone #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 14:40 GMT
"An end to knife cautions for those over the age of 16 was signalled today by Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Home Secretary Jacqui Smith, Justice Secretary Jack Straw and Attorney General Baroness Scotland sending the clear message that carrying knives is unacceptable and will result in tough consequences..."
Tough on crime? R-i-g-h-t... like they were on Tuesday?
We have this exception to the murder charge, murder done in rage is reduced to manslaughter. The reason this is done is because we humans have a hormone 'testosterone', the anger hormone. Sadly it's a hangover from our primaeval days, and it removes our better judgement when we are enraged.
There's also this other hormone, 'adrenaline' the fight or flight hormone. The one that's released when you're scared and causes you to run away or mount an attack.
So Baroness Scotland reviews the law around this and decides that there is another hormone, 'NuLaboursRevenge'. This new hormone lets you plan a murder, have courage and confidence enough to execute the murder, then pretend to be afraid once you get to court.
"Oh your honor I was the victim of long term abuse so I'd like to be let off the murder charge please"
Thus a person pumped up with this NuLaboursRevenge hormone can make the claim that there were afraid, so afraid that instead of escaping, they planned a murder and hung around for the subject of their fear to return to be killed.
And this was proposed by Patricia Scotland, Hariet Harman, and Maria Eagle. Legalizing premeditated murder for anyone who can claim to have a 'fear of violence' as they put it. Of course the corpse can't defend themselves once it gets to court.
Not suprisingly killings done in anger are usually done by men (more testosterone), the claim to be afraid as a defence is usually women (more like to make a convincing 'I was the victim of domestic violence' claim). Hence they're trying to legalize the premeditated murder of men by women.
Tough on men. Tough on the causes of men.
ben
Home Office minister #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 14:40 GMT
Is a "tough" job. Whatever the poor bastard says or does, he's damned, by some miracle he's pulling it off.
Steve
@kempsey #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 14:40 GMT
Anonymous Coward
@ Tim #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 14:41 GMT

Well said. Very eloquently spoken. And a F*ck you to all the haters who seem to think that they have a right to judge! FFS, i wouldn't mind betting that all the people, that commented negatively, would give their eye teeth for the ability to provide for their family as this man can. All you have to do is concentrate and work hard. A concept lost on most of the inhabitants of this green and pleasant land!
Anonymous Coward
A little too tough?? #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 14:41 GMT
Well it seems that in some cases they've been a little too tough and had to revert the 'tough' new legislation as it wasn't legal. Oops! Not the first time either.
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/workingintheuk/tier1/hsmp/hsmpjudicialreview/
alistair millington
@Andy H #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 14:41 GMT

You do the government a great honour if you think half those words enter their heads without help or prompting.
ID cards are only a good idea because it is made up of two letters after all. It's not like anyone actually wants them.
Daniel
@kempsy #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 14:41 GMT

probably.
Anonymous Coward
@kempsy #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 14:43 GMT
Sounds more like the mail to me...
Steve
do they even make sense #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 14:43 GMT
'Tough consequences'? Is that a consequence that is difficult to chew?
How about 'Dire consequences'
Mr Fury
You missed... #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 14:43 GMT
Labour, and particularly Gordon Brown, are doing badly - which is *tough* shit.
Anonymous Coward
re: Some alternatives #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 14:43 GMT
Strange that "stubborn" and "aggressive" should appear, eh?
Anonymous Coward
Medieval #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 14:43 GMT

If only. Stocks, birchings, hangings. Pity all our judges can hand out now are cautions, and life - (out in 6 years).
Prison overcrowding? hang some of the theiving, murderous bastards. make some space.
Vote for me.
Ivan the Terrible
Make the world a better place - Impale a hoody today.
Mike Crawshaw
Tough on Repetitiveness... #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 14:43 GMT

My first employment after leaving high school was in a call centre for a telephone banking service I won't name. But it was in 1993, so I'm sure you can guess as there was only one about at the time...
I had a call monitored, where it lasted 40 minutes, and I had sold a caller our current account, saving account and credit card, as we aced his current packages in pretty much every way. He went away happy, I was pleased, as I'd got a good rapport going with him,and we got commission on sales.
Then my team leader informed me that she had monitored the call, and that I was facing a Stage 1 Disciplinary for it. My crime? I used the word "certainly" 8 times throughout, and was therefore being "repetitive and tedious". (I make that about once every 5 minutes)
I quit that day (best move I ever made). Maybe, just maybe, now he's been called on it, this minister will do the same? *crosses fingers and wishes*
(black helios cos they WERE out to get me there!)
twelvebore
Newcomers Must Earn The Right To Stay In The UK #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 14:43 GMT
I like this idea. I think it should be extended.
How about "Daily Mail Readers Must Earn The Right To Stay In The UK"?
Or "Government Ministers Must Earn The Right To Stay In The UK: Tough New Clampdown On Xenophobic Bullshit And Spin"??!
Gordon Pryra
Tough on border controls? #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 14:43 GMT
I managed to walk onto the runway at Luton Airport last week before the guy taking the boarding cards called me back to recheck my out of date passport
hardly tough to be honest, 3 lots of security controls strolled past and only some guy picking up on it by mistake.
BTW I would like to take this chance to thank the Identity Office for their strike. I would sack the lot of you tomorrow.
Mike Smith
Act tough while you can Liam... #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 14:43 GMT

Because in 641 days at most your government will be history.
Tough.
william
"It's right" #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 14:43 GMT
I thought the mantra was "It's right" or "It's right and proper" to be said 1,000,000 times a day.
Paul
I say we club together #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 14:43 GMT
and buy this guy a Thesaurus.
Marvin the Martian
Crustaceous... crusty... #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 14:43 GMT

I like Andy H's suggestion for "Feisty on Foreigners"!
On the other hand, since all this proposed literacy demands only apply on Johnny Foreigner at the gates, and not on the (ex-Sun) press officers, we cannot expect much vocabulistic variation from the foreign office.
Andy
Other alternatives #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 14:43 GMT
Don't forget chewy, gristly, stringy, inedible.
-A.
Laurie
Don't forget the much over used word #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 14:43 GMT

- "Robust".
Wankers.
Martin
Not medieval #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 14:43 GMT

Paying people to leave would be medieval
"That he which hath no stomach to this fight (or goverment)
Let him depart; his passport shall be made
And crowns for convoy put into his purse:"
Henry V scene III
Hosehead
RE: Some alternatives #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 14:43 GMT

I think Feisty and Fibrous have the most potential for hilarity. But, he might opt for some more harsh and intimidating words, like:
annihilate, crush, decimate, demolish, desolate, devastate, do in, extinguish, pulverize, raze, ruin, shatter, smash, tear down, waste, wreck.
"We will DEMOLISH the crime rates with these tough and fibrous new Knife Regulations!"
Chris W
Not an alternative... #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 14:43 GMT
...but maybe more appropriate and it's a word I've liked ever since I first heard it.
Asenine
Alastair Smith
Must be a slow news day... #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 14:43 GMT

It's tough finding things to write about!
Lyndon Hills
@Andy H #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 14:43 GMT

nice ideas! So a 'feisty' policy would be vaguely fun, or perhaps plucky. A crustaceous one for when the government is in a bad mood. Assuming that policies are printed then fibrous would be a pretty accurate description. Spartan policies would be those resulting from knee-jerk reactions to events - producing policy best left out on a hillside to die....
Mike Richards
May I suggest #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 14:43 GMT
Liam tells us how 'firm' he plans to be.
Then we can all snigger at the back of the Internet.
Mycho
Come on, hire a psychologist. #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 14:46 GMT
One who's not afraid to comment on how the government keeps talking about sex and how tough they are. There must be some good sound-bites you can get out of them even if it is psychobabble.
Chris
@ Andy H #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 14:52 GMT
"adamant, adamantine, aggressive, bold, crustaceous, durable, enduring, feisty, fibrous, forceful, hard-nosed, hardy, impassive, inured, resilient, resistant, spartan, stoical, stubborn, tenacious, threatening."
Anyway... 'spineless, weak, ineffectual, un-enforcable, un-enforced, toothless, blustering, ill-considered' ...to mention but a few alternatives, would surely be more apt?
' crustaceous'? WHERE did that come from? Come to think of it 'stoical'? In this context?
Swallowing a dictionary is one thing - chundering up that lot suggests severe gastrointestinal issues are involved.
There's more to talking crap than, er, taking like a Neo-Marxist/Stalinist Government Minister chasing any faint hope of preserving his post...
Anonymous Coward
@ Gordon Pryra #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 14:56 GMT
Don't blame the passport office for your oversight. Although, given the conditions that they're working in, sacking my be a good career move.
John Lettice
Re: Must be a slow news day... #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 15:20 GMT

Nah. Slow reader day.
JCL
weasel words #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 15:40 GMT

I think "crustaceous" would keep Nick Robinson guessing, but perhaps "Cretaceous" would work better. I'm just pleased I haven't heard "minded", "weasel words", and "mealy mouthed" (I always have a picture of someone dropping maggots from their mouths when I hear this one, eugh) for quite some time, mind you, I appear to have recently taken all of my political news from El Reg... back to the bbc news website I go. Not long until 17:30 now...
Anonymous Coward
Oh how I LOVE... #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 15:40 GMT
... A TOUGH man in uniform!
(pardon my borrowing and amending Fairuza Balk's quote from The Craft)
Note to Liam: Try less hard darling...
Anonymous Coward
Tough on men. Tough on the causes of men - LM(f)AO #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 15:42 GMT

My 2d: tough on tax, tough on the payers of tax.
Oooo - there's still another 12 pence in here, I'm sure GB will be asking for that soon.
Jimmy
Still spinning... #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 15:42 GMT
This is exactly the same Mail/Sun pandering excrement that got NuLabour elected ten years ago. It worked then but it won't work now because people have been able to compare the spin with the reality. Who was it that cozied up to the radical immigrant Imams who promptly set about indoctrinating impressionable young Muslims with such tragic consequences for Londoners? And who promptly decided this was a very good excuse to have a bonfire of our rights and liberties because "it would make us all more secure"? The very same people who decided that 9/11 was a good day bury some bad news for the British government.
Byrne is just another Blairite bullshitter inherited by Brown. Nothing less than a root and branch purge of these morons can save Brown from annihilation.
Harry Stottle
"Hard Working Families" #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 15:54 GMT
is the phrase that makes me projectile vomit at the screen so, inspired by your example, I googled
"government OR opposition AND "hard working families" AND Labour"
(the "AND Labour" excluded the foreign contributors without excluding the British Tories who nearly always use the phrase in close proximity to an attack on Labour)
...which "brought up" (hmmm... know the feeling) 46,300 examples including this beauty from wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardworking_families
These words and phrases belong to a class of "button pushing" cliches which politicians believe puts them in contact with Joe Public. Every country probably has its own. America has dozens. IF they work as politicians obviously believe they do, then this suggests that We The People are every bit as stupid as they think we are. Not good news for those of us who aspire to Democracy
Anonymous Coward
@ Chris W #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 15:54 GMT
"...Asenine..."
Are you sure you don't mean "Asinine"?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/asinine
Sounds about right...
Anonymous Coward
Information toughing #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 16:04 GMT

Worth a press release, for those not old enough to remember a Conservative govmnt.
Tho Tony always trotted it out, it was Gordo who came up with it for him (when Tony was merely shadow Home Sec). That's the one. "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime". Hollow before and after the comma.
Anonymous Coward
@ NuLabour NuHormone AC #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 16:04 GMT

Precisely why they never wanted women in Government in the first place.
I'm all for equality bewteen the sexes, but the sort of women who strives for a posiution at the top is not interested in equality, she is interested in dominance and subjugating the male species into a subversive role below the dominant female.
Martin
I sometimes think.... #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 16:04 GMT

...that the Have Your Say mob overflow onto this site whenever anything to do with the government or politics gets mentioned.
"This is exactly the same Mail/Sun pandering excrement that got NuLabour elected ten years ago. It worked then but it won't work now because people have been able to compare the spin with the reality. Who was it that cozied up to the radical immigrant Imams who promptly set about indoctrinating impressionable young Muslims with such tragic consequences for Londoners?"
Straight out of HYS - only better spelt.
N
Tough #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 16:04 GMT
Pack your bags Mr Brown, well soon see the back of your government & its complete bollox
Anonymous Coward
Better words required and to be done #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 17:24 GMT
how about "effective" and "consistent", so that things actually get done. Birching is "tough" but unless it stops boys scrumping apples, its hardly effective.
If government was set up to be accredited to ISO9002, I don't think they'd make the first reassessment.
Dodgy Geezer
Slow Reader Day.... #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 17:24 GMT

Perhaps that could be a public holiday?
Never mind. Just publish a story about Global Warming - guaranteed to bring out the nutters......
I'll leave now...
Captain Jamie
Crustaceous? #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 17:24 GMT
As in crustaceans? Shellfish - prawns, mussels and the like. They don't make me sickk. Politicians do. Explosively and expansively.
RW
@ Paul: What Roget's has to say about "tough" #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 17:24 GMT

1936 edition:
tough: coherent, tenacious, difficult
1962 edition:
tough: strong, violent creature, hard, tough, unsavoury, uncooked, difficult, thick-skinned, courageous, unkind, ruffian, pitiless.
toughen: be tough, make insensitive
toughness: obstinacy
Class exercise: use each of those synonyms in a sentence also using "NuLabour", "Liam Byrne", "Gordon Brown", "Harriet Harman", "David Milband", and/or "Jacqui Smith". Antonyms and other parts of speech permitted.
Example: That violent creature, Jacqui Smith, an unsavoury ruffian if ever there was one, obstinately made an insensititve and incoherent remark today.
Example: NuLabour announced another half-baked policy today. (uncooked=half-baked)
Pierre
@@Tim #
Posted Thursday 31st July 2008 19:53 GMT
Brilliant, I've spotted this precise comment, like 10 times in various comment threads. I've tried to post it myself from time to time, but it never makes it through the moderation. How do you do that?
John
Getting tough on the right people #
Posted Friday 1st August 2008 00:04 GMT
Cabinet ministers are pretty clueless. Tony Benn revealed how a civil servant for whom he was responsible decided on behalf of the British people to supply Israel with the wherewithal for manufacturing WMD. Almost certainly the Home Office is infested with traitors who are flooding the country with third world immigrants in order to destroy our traditional culture. It matters not what policies ministers invoke when those charged with administration are committing sabotage.