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There's an air of celebration down at The Inquirer at the news that fugitive spammer Eddie Davidson decided to do the decent thing and kill himself. Here's our take on the story, but check out the opposition's view on the whole sorry affair. Well, as an opener, this takes some beating: "Not all stories have a happy ending, but …

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Charlie ...

... has always come over as being a bit of a tit.

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A comment on his whole philosophy...

Shoot enough people and you're bound to get the one that needed shooting, no thought for the consequences for those that didn't need what he was pushing.

Perhaps this will spur legislators to curb spamming; after all, look what it leads to.

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Bad taste

The guy may have been scum but its bad taste to celebrate something like this.

Just another reason why I read the reg and not the inq.

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You weren't mean enough

To the Inquirer, that is.

What a vile little rag. To cheer at the idea that someone killed themselves and their family is simply revolting. You should have been much, much harsher on the twunts who wrote that piece.

Spam is a pain in the @rse, without a doubt. But to glory in the fact that a man shot dead himself, his wife and his three year old daughter, and left a teenaged girl with a life-threatening wound and, if she survives, a nightmare that any sane person wouldn't wish on their worst enemy, is just sick.

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I didn't comment on the original story because it's a sad one whichever way you look at it. There shouldn't be joy on someones death no matter who. So the bloke was a nuisance, that's all.

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Couldn't agree more

Lester, thanks for reminding me why I don't bother reading the Inquirer (among other reasons).

There is a difference between 'edgy' or controversial editorial and this kind of juvinile nonsense. It's the sort of thing I'd expect to see written by a 14-year old on Slashdot who thinks the idea of prison rape is funny, and somehow thinks that sending spam e-mails is morally equivalent to mass murder.

There is a time and a place for schadenfreude, and this wasn't it, no matter how much of an ass the man may have been.

So hats of the Vulture central for showing some maturity and not sinking to such easy lows.

Paul

(Flames, because that's where the Inquirer' should be)

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Back to the Future I guess.

The Inquirer certainly doesn't show us a news article in a future format but rather one in the tones of ancient Rome. Bread for the masses, anyone?

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Great, now I can't decide who's scummier

The spammer or the Inquirer.

If it had just been his own suicide you could almost see where they were coming from and it would almost have been okay to make comments like this- moreso if he didn't have a family.

But the guy shot his family- to kill them- as well as killing himself. That's not a laughing matter, spammer or not.

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Well done...

.....for not sinking to that level. I read the Inq article first, and had to read it again just to check i wasn't dreaming and really was published like this.

I'm all for getting rid of spammers, but preferably in jail and hopefully to learn not to do it again! As you said, the outcome of this is shocking and disturbing and feel very sorry for the family, both the ones killed and the impact on the surviving family.

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Link bait

How horrific. I can't help thinking, though, that the Inquirer is just indulging in completely crass link baiting - it's exactly the sort of thing that gets picked up by other media - like El Reg - and social news sites; I wouldn't be surprised if this is making its way up the ladder of Digg and Reddit as soon as America wakes up properly. Which makes the Inquirer not just crass, but something else beginning with C, too.

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Half-Serious, Half Over-the-top Humor

The Inquirer article is half-serious, half-humorous. Perhaps it is entirely black, deadpan humor. But a murder-suicide that left three people dead is not the best choice for a joke, is it?

Poor judgment on the Inquirer's part.

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Meh

If you ask me the fact that he was a spam king is at LEAST secondary to the fact that he was so mentally deranged and psychopathic enough to kill a child.

Who cares about his job, its a horrible end-result of a madmans life.

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but..

..weren't the Inquirer and El Reg one and the same, many moons ago in days of yore?

(You're still way better though and Wikipedia hates you, which is never a bad thing...)

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Spam is Artificial Intelligence so AI is not new to you

"That anyone should kill his wife and child and then himself is a tragedy, " .... and a failing in and of the [DiscOperating] System. IT Lacks Future Dynamsm aka HyperVision.

Have Microsoft Cracked the Quantum Kernel Enigma for Dynamic Flash AIdDrivers yet? Are they Phishing for IT or dDeveloping ITs Protocols?

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Happy Ending?

There is no happy ending, just a tradgedy. Families in pain due to the murder of their loved ones. How any journalist could put it in a "good light" is beyond me. Though I read some of the comments in the 1st reg article, and some of the posts struck me as just as bad as the inq article, humanity sucks.

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So why have a comment section?

These seem to be missing from a lot of other stories here on El Reg without any apparent bad effects.

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Wow. Just Wow.

Moan as we do about the Reg's slant on a lot of articles, I'm rather glad the Inquirer lot picked up their ball and decided not to play all those years ago. Death is never to be celebrated, never mind who the deceased was.

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The Inquirer?

Isn't that just a copy of The Register? Or owned by previous owners of The Register? Or something like that. Whatever.

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Now I know

where some El Reg readers go when they're not here. Some of the comments from the other article were truly depressing.

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Proportional ?

Well the system I look after runs at a tad over a 92% rejection rate.

But Jeez, it's only little patterns on a glowing screen when said and done. Spammers don't drown babies in puppy blood for goodness sake.

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I wonder...

how many people (ok idiots) lost their life savings to the 'nuisance bloke' spam scams and ruined their lives ... maybe even to the extent of taking their own lives.

The fact that he decided to take 2 innocent people with him shows the character of the man, not a human I will miss I have to say but the inq piece is pretty poor taste.

Call me cynical but 'news' sites/hacks sniping at each other about standards is the pot calling the kettle black. I've seen plenty of articles on this site over the years in appalling taste that someone somewhere will find abhorrent. The saddest part of this story is the baby that was in the back seat. What a welcome into a shitty world.

Paris, because she can't read spam so she eats it instead.

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the inquirer are idiots

whatever moron in the inquirer wrote that story should be sacked. how could anyone rejoice over something like this!! he shot a baby and his wife! its slightly out of proportion to expect the death penalty for spam!! although the inquirer article does make a reference to a little blue pill ( by which i assume they mean viagra)

e only made millions from spam because people are trusting idiots and greedy and ingredibly gullable. to eb honest anyone who falls for the " im a multil millionare and need to smuggle money out of <insert african country here> " scam deserves to loose their money

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@link bait

that's actually the nice explanation. The nasty explanation is that whoever wrote that piece actually felt happy at the thought of a massacre.

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Tasteless

I know that El Reg has never (ever) done anything to stir up controversy, but the Inquirer has really crossed the line here. It's the sort of maniacal mouth dribblings I would expect out Bill O'Reilly or Rush Limbaugh, but not out of a tech rag, no matter what their editorial policy is.

I guess THG regains the fourth tab. And that hasn't been worth reading since the 1GHz P!!! incident.

:wq

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Dog eats dog, dog hurt....

Nice to see a bit of spleen being vented, and in a worthy cause - The Inquirer should have a quiet moment of reflection on this. Bad taste is - well - generally to be commended, but common decency suggests this story should not have been handled in that way. Even in malice there should be style, and - just a little humanity.

But...

1) Are they really "the competition"? Do you not elevate them somewhat?

2) The Reg is not immune to its own lapses of decency. This

(WARNING: link to unpleasant video with little news interest)

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/02/saddam_youtube_hit/

was sufficient to ensure I am more careful about clicking on Reg stories, and less careful regularly to click advertiser links, than I once was.

That said, I am glad Haines has taken issue with the Inquirer's story.

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Ignore 'em?

I suggest you simply ignore the Inquirer's mental collapses in the future - not worth giving them the publicity.

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Now you've gone down in my estimation

Meh. I don't really like this kind of clean hands journalism. It's the kind of tabloid stuff that gives us "Jordan calls Posh scrawny cow" (psuedo quotes). Brilliant! Y'see the printing media didn't say it, Jordan did! But we get to print all the juicy details. Whoopeedoo! And you can be disgusted at the same time! Yey!

Same thing here.

If you've got some spat with some other rag, keep it to yourself eh?

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Well off.

That's out of order.

The guy was obviously scum, but to celebrate the event when he killed his wife and one child and clearly tried to kill another - that's a bit sick.

The whole thing does reflect on what we've thought about spammers before, that there's more than a hint of the sociopath about them, but it's an out'n'out tradgedy.

Always thought the Inq were a tabloid to the Reg's broadsheet.

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Thanks

I appreciate the Bootnote you put up plainly accounting for the serious nature of the matter. Everyone loves a good joke, but a story of 3 people dying should be done with respect and consideration for those left behind.

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A pathetic piece of writing, not worthy of the word "journalism". I guess maybe the writer fell for a 419 or penis enlargement pill? Or is just a worthless tosser who gets his jollies by causing outrage.

Although the spammer's death is of no great loss to the human gene pool, the method by which he chose to exit it, taking his wife and child with him and grievously wounding another child, makes this an incident to mourn, not celebrate. At no time, ever, should the death of a child be treated in such a manner - even more so when the murderer is the one person in the world who should be protecting the child with his own life.

Nice to see, for once, that the comments here so far (though perhaps due to moderation) maintain a veneer of decency.

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No decency

As with your own earlier coverage (which I almost commented on, but decided to not to as I've been doing rather more comments than work recently!), I don't see the link between being a scumbag spammer, and being happy in any way about this tragedy.

The guy may have had a nasty line of work, but to be pleased his dead just crosses a line of bad taste. And to add into that what he did to his own family, well it seems pretty obvious he wasn't well mentally, and should be mourned rather than gloated over.

Skull and crossbones, 'cos it was the nearest to an RIP I could think of.

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Funny how there are no comments against the original Inquirer article

I know I posted a comment highlighting the poor taste and insensitivity of the article, and that it did the Inquirer no favours. I guess it sums them up when they write an article like that, and then silence any form of subsequent criticism. T0ssers.

(The article is still available on the Inquirer, but it's disappeared from their front page, so I maybe someone there has an ounce of common sense, but still not enough).

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GOTCHA!

Hopefully The Sun are still just a tad embarrassed about that one.

(If you don't remember, the Murdoch rag was celebrating the deaths of hundreds of (mostly conscript, I imagine) Argentinian sailors.)

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Poor taste

In common with a lot of the above, I think the Reg has overstepped the mark on a couple of occasions in the past ('PC poor pop pops pills' springs to mind), it's never sunk to that depth.

None of us like spammers, but to be full of glee when someone is driven to such an act of despair is beyond wrong.

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Well Said

Even if it were Bill Gates, rather than Eddie Davidson, such an article wouldn't have been justified.

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If I'm not mistaken

I believe I have read at least one article where Charlie admitted to have been drinking while writing.

Unfortunately, like spam, a sensationalist can come off as a total dick even though it is merely his job to come off that way for increased revenue.

I blame the system more than I blame the people. But, yeah, he ought to rethink some things.

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Safety in the US means a felon

has easy access to a weapon. It is bad enough that the fool decided to end his own life (when swearing off the Internet would be enough for most of us, albeit that there are those who would agree that burying him just to his head at low tide might be appropriate, too) but killing a spouse and child is a crime beyond cruel.

Easy access to deadly weapons makes these stories commonplace. Only in the US will the lunatics argue that weapons make us safer, as if we are all ready, willing and able to engage in the high-noon quick draw to save ourselves and families.

I notice that the 3 year-old didn't have time to defend herself with her nursery gun - and somehow, mom must have forgotten to pack heat that day.

Nope, this is the standard outcome in a nation that has taken the Beatles at their word, "Happiness is a Warm Gun."

Why couldn't gun-boy have taken up arms against his spam colleagues, instead?

Oh well, sick story, sick people and sick outcome.

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Oh dear.

As noted by a few above, regardless of the 'artistic slant' that Charlie Demerjian and the editorial team at The Inquirer might claim have, the mental image of a three year old being shot isn't something I could put 'Yay' next to really.

That article is pretty fucking brutal, even by my admittedly shady standards of humour.

Ah well, sums up what I have always thought of Inq - the electronic equivelant of The Sun/Daily Star - not even suitable for use as toilet paper, because it's already full of steaming shite.

Steven R

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Disgusting

To revel in and praise the taking of human life is simply disgusting. How would the inquirer report on one of their employees shooting and killing the other employee who took lunches from the fridge every day and his tease of a secretary? Would they see positive light in that?

For shame.

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RE: Safety in the US means a felon

If he didn't have a gun, he wouldn't have killed him then? Your post reaks of ignorance.

"Easy access to deadly weapons makes these stories commonplace"

So let's ban vehicles, natural gas, knives, ropes, and on and on. Wait, do you work for congress?

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A bad end all round

spammers - I think I've pointed out before now in jest that if you remove their hands, they can't use a keyboard, with obvious limitations on the alacrity that they can then steal bandwidth.

Edward "Eddie" Davidson - I wouldn't comment beyond speculating on whatever disorder was affecting the state of his mind and whether an improvement in the conditions in the federal pen might have prevented this scenario. I have my doubts when it comes to the latter point. Read back over some of the run up to arrest - he didn't present as being posession of the full deck.

Guns - Here in the UK we have now banned them, but gun crime is at no lower a level now than it was prior to Dunblane I would suggest. Hell we have our own brand of perps these days packing UZi's and Ingrams according to the police and the press. (Slightly off topic - What was wrong with the idea of allowing private ownership of firearms only by licensed members of approved clubs, with all ammunition, firearms themselves and reloading of expended brass kept on club premises ? I can only assume that much like the controversies on Devil Dogs, delinquent kiddies, wasters with disability, evil immigrants/asylum seekers, and every other scare story perpetrated by our wonderful press and beloved politicans that an assumption was made that something had to be seen to be done. I used to shoot at clubs in the UK (can't do so now) but would never have bothered with ownership, simply sign for a club weapon, enjoy my paper perforating, then sign it back in with the unexpended ammunition.)

The big difference between here and the US doesn't seem to be the will to use fireams amongst our various miscreants, simply the relative numbers of perps and guns in circulation.

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Already excused themselves..

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/07/25/suicide-spammer-story

Pathetic.

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Read The Follow-Up Editorial

In a sober editorial entitled "That suicide spammer story", INQUIRER editor Paul Hales analyses and apologies for his decision to publish the article.

In my view, there's nothing good about spam, nothing good about murder and nothing good about most suicides, including this one. None of the several tragedies involved here lessens any of the others.

As Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi put it: An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind.

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This coming from...

...the place that gave us the headline 'PC Poor Pop pops pills'

plus 10 points for alliteration

minus a million points for style

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I think they've taken the point on board...

...and have acted accordingly.

@ http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/07/25/suicide-spammer-story

"That suicide spammer story, Editorial, By Paul Hales: Friday, 25 July 2008, 5:45 PM

IT'S NOT OFTEN that I have to leave my ivory tower and dive into the maelstrom and explain myself.

Charlie's personal take on the apparent suicide of escaped spammer Edward Davidson presents one such occasion, so here we go.

[...retraction...]

But in this case, our presentation of an argument may have crossed from bad taste to offensive. I apologise for that. µ"

Can we go back to playing nicely now?

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