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London is the biggest single centre for credit card fraud with southeast London - particularly Thamesmead (SE28) - becoming notorious as the place with the most fraudulent activity in the UK, according to a new survey. An analysis of over 30 million 'good' and 'bad' card transactions over the first half of 2008 by anti-fraud …

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What a surprise

So the most card fraud occurs where most of the money is. Is that really surprising? People are not going to be stealing cards from the locals in the poorest areas, with cards that are already over their credit limit.

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hmmm, interesting

I wonder if the rates have dropped in Liverpool because the Police started taking notice after the last survey...I've been in a position to hand several people to the Police waiting for me to deliver high value goods to them, which they have attempted to buy with stolen cards - were the Police interested in this....were they f*%@!?! Let's hope they step up on a ntional scale and take some notice, the online figures have gone through the roof since chip & pin was iontroduced!

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IT Angle

you could have got away without using the words 'card fraud' in the headline

and it would have been fair

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@stef

> So the most card fraud occurs where most of the money is

Your knowledge of the Thamesmead area is obviously deficient. Lucky you.

For someone who recently fled the land of my birth (that'll be South-East London, then) for leafier climes, it's nice to see the area keeping up its old traditions of villainy and knavish trickery.

Flames because a good burning would do wonders for the marshes of SE28.

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re: What a surprise

I don't think you read the article, the areas listed are the poorest areas in london.

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Think of the children!

A great report, marred by the Daily-Mail chasing headline:

"Fraudsters lurk alongside paedophiles in chat rooms"

and then two paragraphs about chat-rooms. Not small bean regarding. Or P2PBSH.

FFS.

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Resell on the black market

Er, do you mean tatBay ?

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Black Market

Oh the puns that could arise, but I assume you mean the Black Market AKA eBay??!!

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the chavs of thamesmead and dartford!

hmm, how are they to get their fake burberry stuff otherwise?!

what about those nice flashing LED's to go under the corsa?!

staff pups are not cheap either?!

ehehe!

my bro works neare there, i sent him the link for this article, he'll crack up. he knows EXACTLY what they are like.

http://www.eupeople.net/forum

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@ Stef

That's not my reading of it. It seems the locations are where the fraudulent transactions are taking place, not the postcodes of the credit cards' owners. And have you ever been to Thamesmead? Rich, it ain't.

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I wonder any connection

Wasn't responsibility for credit fraud reporting moved to the financial institutions from the card holder last year

this year a record drop in recorded crime!

I suppose this at least gives the plods time to purse phantom terrorists - now where is that Head of Police always bleating on about terrorists in charge - on Yes the card fraud and knifing capital of the UK

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Location, location, location

It seems that these figure are for where cards are used fraudulently. It would be more interesting to know where your card is more likely to have its details grabbed whether that be through the internet or by a doube swipe under the counter at a dodgy store.

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Paris Hilton

Ah, 3rd Man again!

How are they getting on tracking down that international-criminal-super-dooper-AVS-circumventing database of theirs? You remember, the one that they announced to the world must exist, because of a trivial number of AVS colissions?

In other news - Chav Scum commit crimes!

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@ Anonymous Coward

To quote you "What might be more interesting is to look at the demographics of the population in the area"......summarized as meaning "BLACKS". Coward !

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@Stef

Have you ever been to SE28? It is definitely not "where most of the money is".

I don't think most thieves consider the demographics of their potential victims - I think they just see an opportunity and take it.

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Coat

"only Cardiff and Belfast reporting notable levels of card fraud"

Card fraud may not be that bad YET in other bits of Ireland, but further south it's been Dublin every year...

I'll just take it and slink off over here...

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Agree with ChrisW

It's obvious that there is more crime committed in deprived areas. So it's no surprise to learn that stolen cards are used primarily in these areas. What would be a more useful study would be in which areas these cards are more likely to be stolen or cloned. What good is a report that says "by the way you stolen card was used in <insert local scumbag area>" Cheers I could have guessed that myself.

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Blacks?

Clearly Mr Okubax you have never been to Thamesmead, whilst there are fair numbers of coloured, black and other immigrant people there I hardly think they are in the majority. I know the area quite well and a lot of the bad lads are more of a pikey persuasion. I really don't think colour or race has any thing to do with criminality whereas wealth or lack of is a contributing factor. However I have come across a lot of iffy people who come from good backgrounds and well off families who cover most of the skin colours this planet has to offer. Racism is for people who are too stupid to have anything worthwhile to say.

I'm 50% Paki by the way. ( Assamese to be more accurate.)

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I blame El Reg

Got home today

Read my statement

At least £700 has been sucked out of my account, including what looks like a rental bill in London

TSo tomorrow to the bank to put a claim in to get it back

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hmmm

"What might be more interesting is to look at the demograhics of the population in the area. I'm not going to give my opinion of this for fear of being labelled incorrectly, but I think it would interesting reading."

Interesting the obvious assumption made above. I would summarise the demographic as being POOR. I think you will generally find a tighter correlation between crime and poverty than you will between crime and race.

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Coat

only Cardiff and Belfast reporting notable levels of card fraud?

When the provinces finally get telephones and electricity watch out!

Mines the one burning merrily away in the summer house.

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Different Law.

Please note that in Scotland Card Fraud should still be reported by the card holder direct to Police.

The rule about Banks having to report such things is not applicable in Scotland.

Scots Law also defines wheel clamping as "extracting money with menaces" and stops it. Choke on that, Clarkson.

When I worked in South East London the local beat cop (yes, it really was in the dark ages) used to drink his tea while giving a running commentary on those passing by the front windows. Very few were not "known to us". Ah, happy days.

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So

So the old bait and scan the mag strip technique is still alive and well in the red light districts in the UK along with as much S&M the punter can take as well !

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London - What a craphole

Its only when you move away to a decent city (Tokyo) you realise how much of a shithole London really is. Ok it has a few nice areas but they cost the earth to live in, the rest of it you have to pay taxes to keep the scum housed around you. No return for me.

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@Chris G

..and it seems 50% twat. Your use descriptors from the 70's and are happy to label people as Pikeys? ~=

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demographics

They have already been accurately summarised - chav. For further information on Thamesmead, please refer to http://www.chavtowns.co.uk/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2372

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@okubax

"summarized as meaning "BLACKS". Coward !"

Not in Thamesmead. Last time I was there, on the streets it was 60-75% white

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@So

Yeah by Secret Service wives no less! Spank the monkey or something.

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Demographics

The open comment on the "demographic" component is surprisingly refreshing on a moderated forum, given the usual pusillanimousness in such matters.

I live near Thamesmead. The "Pikey" element has largely disappeared since their camping grounds were enclosed and built on. I do rather miss the occasional punch-ups between our travelling friends and the settled community in the Barge Pole and the Harrow Inn; it was an interesting spectator sport. The significant current "demographics" are Nigerian and Vietnamese. The Vietnamese specialize in indoor cannabis cultivation. Since occasion oil export, maritime piracy and 419 fraud seem to be Nigeria's major industries, perhaps there is a connection to be made there.

Far be it from me to make it, of course; I merely lay interesting facts before you.

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