firebug #
Posted Wednesday 7th May 2008 12:26 GMT
So it's pretty much the same as firebug?
Posted Wednesday 7th May 2008 12:43 GMT
This looks like it's a keeper. Most of my dev/debug needs are met by Firebug and the invaluable Web Developer Toolbar extensions for Firefox but at first glance this seems to have a much cleaner and logical UI and workflow.
Being able to browse the source with an expandable element tree and view the applied styles and it's component inheritances for a given element looks like a great time saver.
Posted Wednesday 7th May 2008 12:43 GMT
Will be interested to see what this is like as I rely heavily on the truly superb Firebug in Firefox for these kind of features currently. If it's even just 'as good' as Firebug it'll be fantastic.
Whenever I have to view a site in IE for test purposes I always feel like I've slipped back into the early 1400's technology-wise when I want to find out why a webpage doesn't behave in Exploder.
Still M$ assures us that IE8 will be perfect; a work of technical standards-adherent art that will exude beauty and put all other browsers to shame.
I believe them absolutely. After all with near infinite money and resources they'd be idiotically incompetent if they couldn't achieve that.
Oh. Hang on...
Posted Wednesday 7th May 2008 13:01 GMT
Well firefox ripped off everything Opera does, so fair game, some of it goes the other way :D
Posted Wednesday 7th May 2008 13:01 GMT
Only more of it, officially supported, available in the latest betas, and can attach to remote instances of Opera, such as on mobiles and consoles.
Posted Wednesday 7th May 2008 13:04 GMT
This is very early in development and doesn't have all the planned features yet, apparently.
And it can do remote debugging so you can debug sites on your phone. I don't think Firebug has that.
Also, it seems to crash less than Firebug :D
Posted Wednesday 7th May 2008 13:04 GMT
Dragonflies don't pupate, they have a nymph stage that, far from being a static pupa, is one of the most fearsome* predators in your local pond.
OK, back to the geek stuff
* Well, it is if you're only a couple of cms tall.
Posted Wednesday 7th May 2008 14:01 GMT
Can do everything Firebug can, and more, including debugging remote devices like Opera Mobile.
Very nice.
Yet again, Opera leads, everyone else follows..
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Posted Wednesday 7th May 2008 17:01 GMT
I've had this loaded for about a week and didn't know!
Posted Wednesday 7th May 2008 19:55 GMT
Though OmniWeb already has everything but the script debugging. Pretty darn spiffy DOM inspector and all.
Posted Wednesday 7th May 2008 19:55 GMT
I must be terribly dense, but what on Earth is this "remote debugging" about, and what is the advantage?
I'll take a guess that your desktop Opera somehow connects to the phone (wifi/Bluetooth or so...?) while it's browsing a page and gets ferried the information. Or does the data get bounced off Opera's servers, like everything you browse in Opera Mini? More explanation would be welcome.
I like the idea, but I'd sooner have an emulated phone setup on my desktop to work with (used to do this with the Sun J2ME SDK), otherwise you'll still be doing a lot of pissing about with fiddly buttons just to use the browser on the phone.
The dev tools will be very welcome anyway. Firefox has Firebug, Web Developer and many other, lesser but useful, extensions. IE even has the Developer Toolbar, though this would be much more valuable if it told you _why_ the DOM was behaving with the insanity of bat ordure... Now all we need is Safari or another WebKit-flavoured browser to float a similar offering and I will be a happy bunny.
Posted Thursday 8th May 2008 00:25 GMT
The basic idea is that Opera has built a protocol called Scope for communicating with the browser process, getting the DOM information, etc. This protocol is now built into the Opera core, so it can be connected to from remote machines by TCP/IP. So your first guess was correct.
It also means that if other browsers develop Scope server add-ons, you will be able to debug all of them with one tool.