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It seems that YouTube has one set of rules for The Church of Scientology and another set for Scientology's critics. Two weeks ago, YouTube vaporized a 10,000-subscriber-strong channel run by well-known Scientology critic Mark Bunker. His "Xenutv1" deserved to die, the YouTubers said, because they had already axed an earlier …

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Alien

Hail Xenu!

A cult that tracks down its critics? Hardly turning the other cheek is it? Hopefully this insidious cult won't be able to con or brain wash anyone with its propaganda on LieTube.

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I saw this one coming

I even made a port on my site about it back on the 24th..

http://www.pissheadnerds.com/news.php?readmore=94

We all know that a religion is the way to make money, and money is the way to shut up or drown out your critics.

I wonder how much it took to part googles legs.

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Anonymous Coward

Grrr.

I don't mind people having their own beliefs, but "The Church of Scientology" infringes on peoples rights in new and exciting ways. I mean, how did they trace the information of several anonymous' when bomb threats were delivered with out engaging with the feds? Surely that's not quite right...

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Anonymous Coward

Scientologists are just another bunch of nutjobs

People who believe in scientology are as bad as those nutjobs who were believing in sorcerers making their dicks vanish. All religion and belief systems are about controlloing the masses, they might start out as a good idea "Let's all make this system where everyone is nice and good to each other" but then they find another bunch of people who also have a system, for some reason they have to have a figurehead though and because the figurehead is a different figurehead they decide they can only be "nice and good" to people who believe in the same damned figurehead, all the rest are "infidels/barbarians/non-believers" and should be put to the sword unless they change their minds and believe in our figurehead and follow our archaic/nonsensical rules.

I have become apatheist, I do not care about religion or belief systems or what happens when I die, it's not relevant to how I'm living my life now. I can manage to subside quite happily without caring about the existence of any deity.

It's not actually that hard to cope with existence providing you're not a complete nutjob.

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ads

are the ads on youtube paid for on a click-through basis? like google adwords or whatever it is?

can't someone write a bot script that'll just click them over and over again - eventually you'd be able to bankrupt the church

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@ Grrr

They probably did engage someone in the feds, just not through official channels. From what I understand (and I could be wrong here, so please feel free to correct me anyone) they have managed to infiltrate a lot of the intelligence services/law agencies in 'merca land to such a degree that not even the same said agencies are sure as to how high a level, or to what level of saturation the infiltration occurs.

What's more worrying is that of the 5 posts to the site so far, four are posted "Anonymous".

See the effect it has?

Alien face, because that's what they think.....

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Technically

Much as I disagree personally with Scientology, Mark Bunker just appears to be seeking publicity for ... I dunno what for, his own ego maybe?

As for his statement;

"Scientology will say the first account wasn't theirs. But you bet the order came from the top."

So the guy at the top orders user 1 to make a troll account for Anonymous and order someone else to do the official stuff, there you go, two different users, no problems.

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Alien

OT's everywhere

There might be an Operating Thetan in the El Reg staff! Who would expose me to the Church. Ah but I have built my e-meter using an LM324 so I know your game, whoh ha ha haaaaa!

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Alien

Ad words

IIRC with google adwords you can set a maximum budget - so you couldn't bankrupt them, but you could get their ads off Youtube faster.

Alien because LOL, Xenu!

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@Kane

>>What's more worrying is that of the 5 posts to the site so far,

>>four are posted "Anonymous"

There's a reason for that. Have you read any of the released Scientology files from wikileaks et. al.? There are some very wonderful documents written by the charming Mr Hubbard, a fantastic author BTW, detailing how to deal with critics. Keep Notes, build webs of connections between critics, Check Sources, Check Sources of Sources, Get the dirt, sharpen the lawyers.

It's sad but true, but one has to assume that the wonderful Church of Scientology is practising an active defense against these hideous slurs against it's noble character and that any Fool misguided enough (whether by malice or ignorance) to criticize this fantastic organisation under a traceable name is gonna get a perfectly legal re-education.

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I really dont get the animosity

Live and let live. Let gullible people give their money to this organisation rather than Gucci. Let people read their books if they want to and make up their own mind. It's not as if they indoctrinate kids, unlike our local religions... it's not as if they feel killing people is God's will which has afflicted the major semitic religions...

Someone please enlighten me why nonsense from one lot of heretics is any worse that the nonsense from another lot - as long as they all live and let live I can't see any difference..

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Black Helicopters

Look at all you ACs...

Do you not think the church will be able to find you?

Muwahahahahahahahahaha

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Gates Horns

Get the facts?

LOL "Get the facts"!!! Proof that the Scientologists are just another arm of Microsoft.

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@ Billy

It's worse because these nutjobs actively go out onto the streets, not just trying to appeal to those looking for religion but the average person and lure them in under the false pretense of a 'stress test' and then go into their propaganda. They also scam people of their financial wealth, thus why the managed to make 14m in profits along in only the UK in 2006 for example.

Just check http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=3ED222830E63D26A to get a taste of the reality behind this scam.

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@billy goat gruff

you obviously haven't been enlightened as to their unsavoury activities - check out the mentioned wikileaks and then try to justify keeping the same view.

Personally, I don't like how your path to enlightenment isn't through developing your spirituality and trying to actually understand something, it's based on your economic might.

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Anonymous Coward

Worse nonsense

Scientology is worse nonsense than the other religions because their interpersonal philosophy has few, if any redeeming features. At least the major religions have pretensions towards preaching brotherly love, but Scientology is a "philosophy" concerned totally with the self and with Scientology. Can you recall any "good works" sponsored by Scientology? Do they send relief workers into conflict zones? Care for the poor, sick and needy?

No. Any of their "Operating Thetans" are just cruising along picking up the cash.

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it kills

scienology kills, bankrupts and causes serious problems.

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Ikonboard Forums hacked

Recently a whole lot of Ikonboard Forum systems have been hacked, posts deleted and the words "We are Anonymous, we do not forgive, we do not forget" added along with some seriously distasteful images.

Now is this:

a) The same people who hacked the Scientologists but have now lost the plot?

b) Some skript kiddies who think that this makes them L33t?

c) The Scientologists trying to discredit the people who hacked them?

Place your bets...

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@ads

Yup, I've done this before when I found a site selling free software. It wanted you to text a premium rate number to get a reg code.

A simple script ran through a list of proxies, did a search, if the ad was displayed, it requested the page. It also would wait a random amount of time between requests.

I was pleased to see that it worked when the ads stopped appearing (unfortunately for just the day, but it was simple to put it in a cron script)

The wonders of linux, curl, grep, sed & bash :D

Anonymous? Well obviously

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Anonymous Coward

Mutually Assured Destruction

All we need now is get Osama to make adverse comments about the Scientologists and the Scientologists to criticise Islam and we can all sit back and watch the fight.

Anonymous because who wants to make enemies of two psycopathic organisations in one day?

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Hail the volcano people; busy building the perfect idiot

xenu.com has a lot of good information about what scientologist do to those who "work against their cause". Might have to buy me one of those seering masks they have at all their rallys... just cuz. If nothing else, go there to see the South Park episode on scientology.

You won't break the church of scientology, because another idiot is born every minute (scientology thrives on building better idiots) willing to pay thousands of dollars for their next OT Level, or believe the church when they are told they were 'bad' and have to go through more auditing and/or cleansing process to be 'healed'.

I've thought about going to the actual web sites this church of scientology puts out, but I don't know if I could keep myself from doing a complete "audit" of the page myself (in a info security sense), and not be able to stop until I found a few vulnera...err, I mean "engrams" on the site itself.

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Paris Hilton

Tom who?

Is that the short-arse wanker in those crappy Mission: Impossible films? If so, can you tell me where to bill him for the hours I lost watching that tripe?

Fool me once (MI1), shame on you. Fool me twice (MI2), shame on me. Fool me thrice (MI3), no f-ing chance!

Scientology is a load of crap. A shamelessly made-up scheme designed to suck cash out of idiotic simple-minded fools. Sounds like a religion to me.

Paris. because given a nudge in that direction, she'd be Scientologies poster girl.

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Paris Hilton

Re: it kills

> scienology kills, bankrupts and causes serious problems.

That's treating death rather light-heartedly.

Paris, because she looked like alien in *that* video.

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United State of Anonymity

The 'ology: "A cult that tracks down its critics?"; "any Fool misguided enough (whether by malice or ignorance) to criticize this fantastic organisation under a traceable name is gonna get a perfectly legal re-education."

The tactics of ligitation can only work if the number of critics is small or easily scared. Going after large numbers is utterly impractical, as their friends from RIAss over in the corner of evil might tell them. We are legion, lets play the lottery of litigation!

Anyways, You should drop those earthly concerns and rather worry about afterlife. Go talk to your priest if you need some help to put life versus eternity into proper context.

<<Apatheist>> - man, you made my day. Too bad it's just an anonymous quote.

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YouTube comments not allowed

It looks like they have some horrific custom-built flash interface that makes it difficult to get to the actual YouTube video URLs.

Managed to extract one of them, which then leads to the rest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6aG6PN0rgI

Oh my, how surprising.. the "Church" doesn't allow people to embed or comment on their videos. Why on Earth (or Teegack) would they do that?

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Isn't YouTube Owned by Google?

Google HATES the CoS.

This is strange...

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Joke

More of the same, please.

The Register, rocking hard as always.

Church of Scientology, aiming a gatling gun at its own feet, as always.

Hope we get to see some Tom Cruise missiles come May 10th. I can't wait to see what the horde come up with this time around.

Hang on, did I just post nonanonymously? They're going to get Blue Shirt Guy after me now. OHSHI-

http://mancfags.com/Blue_shirt_guy

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Alien

There's a difference

Your article doesn't mention whether or not the account canceled was owned by the Church or someone else posting the video.

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Pirate

Google doesn't hate Scientology

Scientology front groups pioneered and dominate the field of "Search Engine Optimization," and there are several weird vampiric tentacles between them. Yes they had a bit of trouble a few years ago, but it seems that either threats or bribes have made everything nice.

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Alien

Scientology defined

Scientology is just Star Trek for Kooks.

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oh yeah!

Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll ALL drink the Kool-Aid.

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Alien

To Graham:

I think it's more like:

d) What Anonymous does when they're NOT trying to bring down scientology.

After all, the group originated on an image forum that is generally distasteful at best.

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Search Engine Optimization?

I remember some news comments about the defragmenter for Windows ME, or was it 98... but now this?

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Mark Bunker

a.k.a WiseBeardMan

His words are Wise

His face is Beard

He is a Man

All Hail!

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hmmm

"d) What Anonymous does when they're NOT trying to bring down scientology."

Yes lets judge the whole group at once!

Sounds like something a $cilon would do.

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church?

more like cult

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body thetans

The first CoS account was probably created by some rogue body thetans that have since been audited away. The new account belongs to a totally different thetan.

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Trial and Error

I think I'm going to join up. There's one of those "reading rooms" 'round the corner from my house, reckon I'll pop by after work and sign up. I've got the money to spend to appease their god/clergy and I'm sort of curious if the brainwashing stuff really works.

Guess it's hard to tell if you've been brainwashed, but I think I'll keep a video journal so everyone can watch as I progress towards the "ultimate goal" - whatever that may be.

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Comments disabled, but flagging allowed

You can't post comments or ratings, but the option to 'Flag' the clips as 'hateful and abusive' content is available, and surely just begging to be used.

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Now we've done it...

We have all become PTS's in the eyes of scientologists; with the exception of AC, who is clearly an SP.

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@ AC #4

"People who believe in scientology are as bad as those nutjobs who were believing in sorcerers making their dicks vanish"

I've had sorcerers make my dick larger, so I don't see why the reciprocal is so impossible.

Paris...the sorcerer

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"Get the facts"?

OK, so taking over Yahoo hasn't worked (yet?), so "they" bought the "church" of Scientology!?

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Bin Liner vs Hubbard

Now I'd pay to watch that brawl

Both are cults that turn the weak minded

Bin liner followers to commit acts of muderous stupidity

Hubbard lovers who are stupid rich people to open their wallets and max out their American Express/Visa/Mastercards in the hope of being healed while Hubbard just gets richer and richer.

Sure he can sue me if he likes (and he wants my debts)

Someone should take them both down using a reaper kill droid trained on their mobile phones.

Didn't someone once discover that Bin Liner was at one time using an Inmarsat sat phone to call from Tora Bora?

Darn they should have had them reapers back then.

Not psted anonymously because I have balls (unlike most on here it seems)

Mine's the Iron Man suit.

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RE: I really dont get the animosity

"Let people read their books if they want to and make up their own mind. It's not as if they indoctrinate kids, unlike our local religions"

You should do a little research:

http://exscientologykids.com/

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@Solomon Grundy - "Ultimate Goal"

Death or Bankruptcy?

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Thank you

It is about time that the media is picking up on the preferential treatment afforded to the Church of Scientology. I disagree with the comment above re: Bunker and his quest for attention. For years he has fought an uphill battle against the Church of Scientology, pretty much in obscurity, and never once did he complain he wasn't getting interviewed by say, Larry King or Oprah. (and for the record, he has won an Emmy award for producing, so it isn't like he's some random guy messing around on Youtube)

He complained when hours before he was set to air a damming interview with Jason Beghe, his account was terminated. This is not unlike a court case taking place in the US right now where the CoS is going after a protester for "criminal harassment" and decided to file the claim on the -last- day of his probation for something utterly unrelated to protesting or the CoS.

They continue to play dirty, continue to get preferential treatment, and it continues to go underreported.

So props to the Register for actually reporting on things that many of us have been aware of for weeks.

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The Cult of Science fiction psychology...

is actually basing its techiques on well known brainwashing technologies, developed mainly for military purposes. The so called thetans one supposed to get rid of are parts of one's own soul. A 'clean' person is someone who got rid of all thetans and actually willingly destroyed his/her own soul. The various levels are the steps required to do this. The lower levels get rid of things like willpower, then the next ones earse the person's memories, then on the higher leves they try to earse control over basic neural functions, so a person truely reaching the highest levels should be totally soulless. The sideeffect of this process is that it's relatively easy to get someone's money when the first thing you earse is his willpower, but that was not the main goal of the cult, just a thing that current leaders discovered when they decided that they keep their souls and instead of advancing in ot levels, they get rich.

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Google

How does this reflect upon Google as they own YouTube? Clearly YouTube is conflicting with Google's "Don't be evil" policy and while it's a minor stretch Google is also breaking this by letting YouTube break it.

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Church/Cult of Scientology not The Church of Christ, Scientist

@ Solomon Grundy

I think you are confusing the “Church/Cult of Scientology” with a completely different bunch of nutjobs: “The Church of Christ, Scientist” (AKA Christian Scientists) founded by Mary Baker Eddy. They are the ones with the Reading Rooms. I used to confuse them also, but whereas Scientology is just a scam to make money, The Christian Scientists seem to actually really believe their crap and consequently, like most idealists, to have achieved even greater damage and death than the conmen.

For more info see: http://www.rotten.com/library/religion/church-of-christ-scientist/

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