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A Welsh student has described herself as "amazed and disgusted" at a couple of Jobcentre Plus ads punting for nude webcam operators at £10 an hour plus 50 per cent commission, the BBC reports. Anna Ellis-Jones, who's studying for a Masters degree in heritage management, spied the "sad, pitiful and depressing" opportunties in …

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What's wrong with that?

It's a valid job and it needs to be advertised. Let's face it, an ad like that is actually fairly discrete - it could be marketed a lot worse. For example on the notice boards in colleges.

The job centre is right though, that they have to carry it - they're not allowed to turn it away. It's up to the job seeker to decide whether they want it or not.

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Meh

"It is just bonkers...": Is it just me or does this make no sense whatsoever?

"sad, pitiful and depressing": Is this referring to the job in question or was McDonald's advertising too?

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Jobbies

I once looked in that Bangor office for jobs and saw nothing of the sort. Imagine how different my career would have been, had I seen that opportunity!

Thanks for nothing, DSS (as was).

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Minimum wage ???

The only shocking thing about those particular job ads is the base rate of pay, although a 50% commission could work out nicely if you were popular, I have no idea how much the cam operators charge to view semi naked welsh rarebit, but I can't see it being cheap.

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Hmmm

I wonder how they cope with age/sex discrimination?

If a sixty year old man wanted to apply, what then?

I'm sure there are no shortage of male computer geeks who would be happy point a webcam at themselves while they play Team Fortress in their skids for a tenner an hour.

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freudian slip?

Ellis-Jones thundered: "It is just bonkers"

Bonkers being the operative word.

The raincoat, if you please

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Did she get turned down for the job?

Once Ms Ellis-Jones had finished thundering, "It is just bonkers in this day and age when we are encouraging safety for children on the internet, to come across job adverts like this," did anyone ask her exactly how this job advert was supposed to discourage safety of children on the internet?

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"amazed and disgusted"

Ah, she's just pissed off because she's an ugly bird no-one'll pay to watch...

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Prude

Oh grow up and stop hiding your prudity behind 'safety of children on the internet'.

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I like the "Welsh" in the headline

Seriously, a student being uptight about earning money by doing something adult-themed on the Internet?

C'mon, what else *is* there on the Internet? And where do you expect to find all your cheap labour if it's not at the Jobcentre?

Anyway - where do I sign up?

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Oh dear

I haven't read Viz for a while but it sounds like Millie Tant stills exists.

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naked people on the internet? bah humbug!

"It is just bonkers in this day and age when we are encouraging safety for children on the internet, to come across job adverts like this"

oh noes! naked people on the internetz! someone call the sun!

seeing as this job aparently requires you to be 18, and (presumably) you would have to pay with a credit card to oggle welsh wenches, how exactly will this do anything to the safety of children?

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@JonB

Umm...Nail...head!!

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What's the job reference?

I think I might apply for this.

£10 an hour to waggle my cock at people of an evening sounds an easier way to bring in extra cash than flogging my old tat on eBay.

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Spotting a pattern here...

I'd quite like to see what the female readers of the Reg have to say about this.

What?

Oh.

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blame her

I was waiting for someone to say 'she must be doing this because she's ugly'. I wonder why this sort of comment is made? If she were a stunner, would she have no objection? If she was gorgeous, she would be happy that the jobs women are offered include semi-soft porn? That all women, if they only had the looks, would leap at the chance to do a demeaning job?

Men, when they are looking for jobs, don't expect to see stuff that is just a few steps away from rent boy, and yet that sort of role is acceptable to be in the range of opportunities open to women.

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Welsh bird naked

The basic problem here seems to me... who in their right mind wants to see a welsh girl naked ?

Now a Welsh sheep.. maybe with a live 'shaving cam'...

now your talking !

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Won't somebody think of the children..

Or, I want a chance to get something out of the job centre for nothing, so I'm kicking up a huge fuss about absolutely nothing.

Paris because...well it doesn't need explaining

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Mainstream

webcam 'operators' in Jobcentres. How boringly ordinary it has become, so quickly.

Bring back the Jennicam...

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but...

I know several people who do this for free...

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Joke

"Adults aged 18+..."

Well, I'm aged 18+, i.e. 18+40, so where do I apply - I can't see it on Reg Jobs.

I'm not sure what the market is for a balding overweight middle-aged men, so I can't bank on the 50% commission, but 10 quid an hour for doing nowt but lie around starkers sounds better than commuting into London every day.

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@ JonB

lol kinda hard not to speculate that really is it. Maybe we should petition for a pic of Ms Ellis-Jones so we can make up our own minds on this one.

Mine's the peep hole thong covered in baby oil

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Boffin

if there was a market

for slightly over weight, glasses wearing male Civil Servants to do nude web cams id do it - the pay is better then what i get working for the government.

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Exploiting desparation

From the article, it sounds like these adverts are appearing in the some of the most poverty stricken areas of the country. Coupled with the fact that they are offering such a derisory wage for the job, and I'd have to say this sounds highly exploitative.

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age restrictions

I'm well over 18, but I still don't think I could call myself an "adult"

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'Think of the children'

Well in that case, instead of moaning about a job in the Jobcentre, which is advertised as strictly 18+ etc, how about you have a look in your local newsagent - where the sweet, innocent kids go to buy lollipops and sherbet - and have a look at the front page of the Daily Sport and whatnot.

Which are always on view to everyone.

What a niave, short sighted twat she must be.

Steven R

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Missing the point

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you repeatedly turn down jobs doesn't it affect your benefits? Obviously the woman in question wouldn't have to worry about it as she is in full time education. The mental image I get of the company is of Vicky Pollard though.

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@Hollerith

Jobs for men include Chippendale-style acts, and male escorts. It's certainly not unknown for agencies to post job ads looking for people to do this.

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you won't get hired

If you're old, fat and/or ugly they won't hire you. It's not discrimination to have minimum physical requirements for a job where physical appearance is important.

I'm not sure how this can be exploitation though, they are paying well over the minimum wage and it sounds like an easy job. McDonalds, that's exploitation.

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That's nothing

Few years back there was an outcry when someone was told she'd lose her benefits if she didn't take a job as an 'artist's model'

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@Hollerith & Var

The job posting does not seem to be discriminating by gender. It seems men would be just as open to taking up this wonderful opportunity as women.

Now, I wouldn't work in that kind of job, but I as long as the job/activity is not outlawed then I do think they should be allowed to advertise in Job centres. The major issue there might have been (that to qualify for JobSeeker allowance you have to take nearly any job offered to you) does not apply here since it specifically states that not taking up this job will not affect any benefits.

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@Hollerith

"Men, when they are looking for jobs, don't expect to see stuff that is just a few steps away from rent boy, and yet that sort of role is acceptable to be in the range of opportunities open to women."

OK, so the original comment was OOO but there are probably webcam operative opening for men too. I'm sure given gay rights that Job Centres would carry those ads too.

I presume the Job Centre feels it has to carry the ads as a result of the Anne Summers case. The last time I went into one of their stores it was packed with women and I was the only bloke in the shop.

So long as no one is saying "Take this job or we cut your job seekers allowance" I don't see a problem. Given the amount of this sort of stuff on the web there must be an awful lot of people in the world who are prepared to remove their clothing to earn some money.

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Won't somebody think of the.... Oh.

@The Other Steve

It's more than a lot of people earn - and that's just the basic pay. It's also (if you want) at home in relatively short shifts... No, I wouldn't be interested, but I don't think the salary counts as "shocking".

@Hollerith

I don't "expect" it, certainly. However, seeing an advert asking for men willing to parade naked in front of a camera wouldn't offend me in the slightest.

Instead, I'm likely to be amused. There's so much porn on the net already, do we really need more created?

@Chewy

Certainly you can't be too picky - however the "Please note that there is no obligation to consider making an application for this vacancy." comment implies that the jobcentre were specifically excluding this one from that requirement. Sounds like a fair attitude to me.

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not bad rates...

£10/hour and 50% commission?

That's not a bad rate for this sort of thing. Only one commercial site that I know of offers 50% commission (if you're lucky!), most are in the range 25-40%, and don't offer a guaranteed wage on top of it.

How the company will survive at these pay rates, I don't know - the market for this sort of thing seems to have taken a down-turn of late - many people I know who were making good money at this only a couple of years ago are struggling now.

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People missing the point...

I'd be interested to know what the people complaining about the wages for this job get paid. £10 per hour plus commission? Thats hardly to be sneezed at. I think the confusion has come because a quote in the article says "Guaranteed minimum wages", not, as many people appear to have read it "Garunteed minimum wage".

£40 plus commission for flashing your bits at the world and their mates for 4 hours sounds like a good deal to me. No heavy lifting, warm, dry workplace, theres much worse jobs paying far less money.

Icon because some people need glasses... ;-)

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@Matt Bradley

As opposed to spending the rest of your life moving chicken testicles from a grill to a box. Or cold-calling people in their homes. Or selling crack (in which case your life will be a lot shorter). Or actually prostituting yourself.

As far as opportunities for the unskilled go, this is hardly bottom of the list. Frankly I can't see "Dole Queue Hotties" being a particularly arousing prospect anyway.

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@Hollerith

>I was waiting for someone to say 'she must be doing this because she's ugly'.

Await no longer for the JonB hath commented!

>I wonder why this sort of comment is made?

As an amusingly ironic take on stereotypical sexist remarks perhaps.

I blame the state of the education system that this sort of ironic cynicism

is on its knees (probably giving head for £10/hr)

>If she were a stunner, would she have no objection?

Well, she might have an income....

>That all women, if they only had the looks, would leap at the chance to do a demeaning job?

A lot go in for hairdressing.

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@Dazed and Confused

"Instead, I'm likely to be amused. There's so much porn on the net already, do we really need more created?"

er, yes we do actually, I think I've seen everything already out there.

Come on Hollerith, you know you want to. (Thats my tongue placed well and firmly in my cheek by the way, before you ask)

Mines the one with "Lawsuit waiting to happen" on the back.

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@Rob Holmes

Where do I sign up?

Do you think I will earn much commission for flashing my hairy white arse and man boobs?

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@Rob Holmes

>No heavy lifting

Maybe that's why she didn't get the job?

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@Spleen

re "Dole Queue Hotties", did you perchance mean something like http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/graphics/2004/10/19/btburke199.jpg

?

mines the dirty flasher mac with the USB 3G wireless dongle sewn in the collar for inpromptu web surfing outside the local perv alley

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If there are legimiate jobs she doesn't like, no one is forcing her to apply for them. She should not try to deny the opportunity for others to do so though.

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@Chewy

Happy to correct you...

If you read to the bottom of the advert you'll see that you are not forced to apply for this job, so it will not effect your benefits if you refuse to apply.

"The ads continued: "Guaranteed minimum wages per four hour shift. Duties require the successful applicant to be nude/semi-nude. Vacancy not suitable for under-18s. Please note that there is no obligation to consider making an application for this vacancy.""

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There *is* something wrong with this

Paying commission for this job is probably illegal. It's indirect sex discrimination, as men are unlikely to earn as much commission as equally skilled and qualified women.

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Luddite Puritan In Inability To Accept The Modern World Shocker

Stupid girl - she's probably only narked because she can't find a job herself that pays that well!

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What a stupid person

>>"Ellis-Jones thundered: "It is just bonkers in this day and age when we are encouraging safety for children on the internet, to come across job adverts like this."<<

Yeah, cos kids are really going to be in danger of JOB ADVERTS! Especially ones that require the employee to be over 18. It's a scandal! Remove this filth!

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Grow up!

Dear Ms. Ellis-Jones,

Sex Worker is a job title, not a character flaw. I find it offensive that your attitude seems to denigrate all the honest people working in adult industries worldwide. Should everyone, female and male, not have the right to decide how they wish to express their sexuality? Why are you seeking to take their rights away from them? Please be an adult. If you don't like the idea of sex work then don't apply for the job but don't try to take the opportunity away from others just because it's not right for you.

The advert clearly states that the position is not open to under 18s. Your statement about this being a child protection issue is therefore just plain wrong. Can I take from it that you think all sexually explicit material should be banned to protect children? People have sex and many of them enjoy it. A healthy and honest attitude towards sex important for individuals' development, mental well-being and to protect them from exploitation.How many children have been abused for years because they thought sex was dirty and that they couldn't tell? May I suggest you develop a more grown-up attitude towards sex?

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@AndyG

Sadly unable to find a picture of Anna in any of the obvious places (I thought students had to be on Facebook).

Natasha Ellis-Jones however appears to be be very much more forthcoming...

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@Mike Scott

As the qualifications probably include having an attractive pair of lady breasts and skills would include being able to display said lady lumps in a provocative manner, I doubt very much that many men could claim equal skills qualifications.

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At the end of the day..

It's a free world and does anyone think people give a sh*t?

Take the job or leave it.

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