Rogue trader sues SocGen for unfair dismissal
Jamie
Lawyers #
Posted Thursday 3rd April 2008 11:08 GMT

Wonder why lawyers are so hated around the world.
Magnus
Kerviel's Lawyer states: "no court proceedings have been launched" #
Posted Thursday 3rd April 2008 11:22 GMT

Kerviel's Lawyer, Elisabeth Meyer, has told Reuters that no court proceedings have been launched. So unless he has got a new lawyer without telling his old ones etc it is just the Times jumping the gun or not checking their facts properly.
http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSL0332624720080403?feedType=RSS&feedName=businessNews
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James Bassett
Good Luck to him #
Posted Thursday 3rd April 2008 13:14 GMT

It's quite clear that SocGen were either grossly incompetent in not spotting what was going on and having such lax procedures as to allow it OR, as he asserts, they knew full well what was going on, were chuffed to bits when it was making them money (and huge fat bonuses!) and he has just taken the wrap now it's all gone tits up.
I suspect he'll just get screwed over anyway but, hey, at least he's having a go at trying to bring some of the bastards down with him!
Anonymous Coward
scapegoat #
Posted Thursday 3rd April 2008 13:14 GMT

This poor guy has been used as a scapegoat for SocGens poor performance last year, remember they lost the 5bn euro this year not last and claim that this 5bn has made them fail to meet their targets last.
Besides, this guy did NOT sell the stock in question, it was SocGen that sold the stock at a ridiculous point in time, causing 5bn losses.
Easy to blame one poor sod (with a nice salary) for the companies failings ....
Go on Kerviel, sue them American style!
John Band
yehbutnobut #
Posted Thursday 3rd April 2008 13:30 GMT

"Easy to blame one poor sod (with a nice salary) for the companies failings"
IIRC, Kervier got paid sod-all, not "a nice salary" - less than €80k per year...
Sascha Zierfuss
So... #
Posted Thursday 3rd April 2008 14:02 GMT

Letting someone do something he shouldn't have been doing in the first place SocGen should have to pay? That makes sense... who cares if the guy had made them money when he started, he shouldn't have been trading period!
Red Bren
Corporate hypocrisy #
Posted Thursday 3rd April 2008 14:09 GMT

Break the rules and win and you're lauded as a high-flyer, a visionary, an astute player and everyone is happy to turn a blind eye.
Break the rules and lose and you're pilloried as a rogue trader, a fraudster or a criminal by the same people who were previously quite happy to pocket the proceeds of your risk-taking activities!
Anonymous Coward
re. Corporate hypocrisy #
Posted Thursday 3rd April 2008 15:01 GMT

Except in UK banking, where you seem to get a fat payout win or lose...
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=436232&in_page_id=2
Steve Todd
@AC #
Posted Thursday 3rd April 2008 15:31 GMT
"Except in UK banking, where you seem to get a fat payout win or lose..."
except that case wasn't illegal, just not clever. CEOs of companies who do stupid things traditionaly get paid off, nomatter what business sector they work for. They at least seem to employ clever lawyers when their contracts are written.
Viet
bigger picture #
Posted Thursday 3rd April 2008 15:38 GMT

It's actually pretty wise from his POV to go after SocGen ; not doing it would imply he accepts dismissal for "gross misconduct", and would give some "flesh" to the SocGen story when time comes of a possible criminal trial. Without streching hair too much, the admitted fault in the realm of working laws could very well be the same one he would face in the criminal court ; it would be a bad idea not to have already disputed it.
But suing them to the contrary is a good move as it is a way to suggest that he wasn't alone in the scheme and that at least, by turning a blind eye, SocGen shares a level of guilt with him. This could lessen his criminal liability in the future.
Steve
@ John Band #
Posted Thursday 3rd April 2008 15:46 GMT
""Easy to blame one poor sod (with a nice salary) for the companies failings"
IIRC, Kervier got paid sod-all, not "a nice salary" - less than €80k per year..."
€80k is currently just under £63k - sounds pretty nice to me.
daniel
@Steve #
Posted Friday 4th April 2008 00:20 GMT

You make a company about 1.4 bn euros, that's about 1 *BILLION* pounds, or just over 2 *BILLION* dollars, and all you get is a £63K paycheck?
i'd be in my boss's office threatening him with GBH and the russian mafia if i did not get a 1% bonus of that!
Anonymous Coward
Only in France... #
Posted Friday 4th April 2008 00:20 GMT
...where employers have no right to dismiss anyone, even in the most extreme of circumstances - quod erat demonstrandum.
Anonymous Coward
Guilty or not inocent? #
Posted Friday 4th April 2008 09:23 GMT

SocGen may be guilty of being lax but, come on this guy knew what he was doing. If he is innocent so was Hitler.
Icon? That me.
Ishkandar
@Sascha Zierfuss #
Posted Saturday 5th April 2008 15:41 GMT
Excuse me, but his job is as a *TRADER* !! His "crime" is not that he should or should not have *traded* but that he traded way over the limits imposed on him !! When he was making money, the management were quietly pocketing their bonuses. When the times got hard, they panicked and forced the unwinding of the trades he had done at an extremely bearish time !! *THAT* caused the losses !! If they had kept their nerve and hung on, they may have have ridden out these bearish times and the trades may have been fine.
I strongly that SocGen had (and still have) troubles elsewhere within the bank and they are using this poor sod as the scapegoat for their sins !! I support his suing the pantalon off them, if only to expose the sins they were trying to sweep under the carpet !!