Annoying

Every time I read one of these reports it bugs me - everything that is shared isn't illegal. Geez.

Aren't web servers essentially sharing information as well? Some of it copyrighted? Isn't it being copied from one computer to another - from the copyright owner's computer to someone else's and buffered on thier hard disk?

Mine's the annoyed one...

Another

Blow at the USA legal system. Completly under the control of the most dangerous criminal organisation in the world: The MPAA.

Help kill the MPAA: NEVER PAY FOR ANY MOVIE EVER.

Blergh

Never really used TorrentSpy much myself, but any victory by the M.P.Ass.A is a victory against freedoms and what not.

Boo!

@Eitsop, Mectron

I know copright and respect to creators who actually do something are hard concepts for you freetards to get to grips with, but yes, web pages are copyright, and if you rip off my web pages to put on your web server you'll hear about it. However by publishing those web pages on the net I implicitly and explicitly grant rights for other people to read them. If I did the same thing with music the same principle would reply.

As for "never pay for any movie ever": well its you're right not to pay for movies if you don't want to watch them. I never pay for movies, don't want to watch them, and wouldn't care if no more movies were ever made. However if I did want to watch movies and did want them made I'd need to be prepared to pay for it, in the same way that if I don't want to pay for food and petrol I won't get to eat and travel...

AC - obviously...

I used to like Torrentspy a LOT - as it seems to be one of the few torrent search engines who ranked results by relevance + seeds, so you always got a torrent worth using, rather than 400+ results with 1 good torrent at the bottom!

Shame to see them go, but thats 1 head of the Hydra gone, 2 more will surely spring up!

Explain

I wish someone could give me a believable reason for considering that copying and distributing someone else's work without their permission is a legitimate right that must be defended.

Don't bother with the 'fighting evil corporations' routine - if you don't approve of their business practices then don't buy their product. Yes, even if that means doing without something you wa-a-a-ant.

p2p, torrents and so on have perfectly reasonable uses but from all accounts those uses don't account for the majority of the traffic out there. That (growing) volume of traffic is now having an impact on legitimate users through throttling etc.

Nail the greedy, self-serving little bastards to the wall I say!

@Mectron & Blergh

Mectron: "Help kill the MPAA: NEVER PAY FOR ANY MOVIE EVER."

Bet you've never considered doing without something you w-a-a-a-ant as a protest, have you?

Wimp.

Blergh: "...a victory against freedoms and what not"

Now there's a good indication of the clarity of thought that went into your decision making process.

Come on over to my place and work for me for a few weeks and maybe I'll pay you both and maybe I won't. I may decide that I won't have my freedom to get something for nothing infringed by your greedy demands... and you will be required to tell me how noble I am. Right.

@JimC

Copyright covers webpages and creative works that might be shared on P2P. But it doesn't cover the links to things that people are sharing.

That's like prosecuting the person who puts up a sign to a car boot sale because someone at the car boot sale is selling copied DVD's.

The problem with copyrights

I'm all for enforcing copyrights the way they were intended.

However, EULAs go way beyond what a copyright holder is entitled to ask.

I've posted an EULA in the past that states anyone who sells or allows to be sold to me media of any form grants me the right to decrypt it, make backups, and share it with my friends.

So basically my EULA knocks out their EULA and I'm free to do what I want with the materials.

Shut down all search engines!

Ok, illegal downloading is wrong because people put their work into it. But the opponents of torrent sites have become so excited, I believe they've lost focus.

Torrent search sites just provide links to torrents, they don't host it themselves. Now we're all smart enough to know what most users will use them for, and why these sites were created in the first place, but in the end, they're not doing anything wrong.

I can easily find illegal stuff via Google, but just because that's not the preferred way for downloaders, normal search engines are left unbothered.

Instead of trying to break every torrent search site (which they will never really succeed at), these associations should try to force the sites to filter out illegal content.

Paris, because she doesn't mind people mass downloading her, ahem, content, wherever it's hosted.

@JimC

1. I am not a so called "freetard". I actually own a sizable DVD collection and now that Blueray illegal DRM have been broken, i plan to get a player (and some movies),

But the MPAA need to die, no one in its right mind whould ever support anyone who is a member of a international crime cartel?

Beside the enterteiment industry is the ONLY sector where you cannot get a refund (by law) if you don't like a pruduct. Try buying a movie and then return because is it a really bad movie.... (and no i should not have to pay (Rental) to see if i like it or not)

Bottom line is: The RIAA and MPAA are very dangerous criminal and no one should be doing any kind of businees with it;s members.

Chance are, that when peoples who actually make the movies see that no one is buying them because of the MPAA, they will cancel they membership to it.

PS: About my DVD collection, what is the 1st thing i do when i got a new DVD? rip it and store the original in a safe place. But not everyone can do that as DVD's are cripple by illegal DRM (thanks to the MPAA and its members)

My God...

..Is this "freetards" vs. "R.I.Ass.A" crap still going on? Flamewars about copyright are so last month.

Mine's the one with a copy of Das Kapital in the pocket...

Ok with all the discussion

That has gone on here in the last several months about P2P it just dawned on me. I remember hearing a while back that WoW used the torrent protocol for users to get the patch. Does this mean that they are going to get kicked from their ISP for sharing the patch with other WoWers, even though there is no way to not allow sharing unless you setup the firewall to block outbound connections. NOT that its a bad thing of course. WoWtards are the bane of existence.

/mines the one with LEEEEEEERROOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY JEEEENKINS stiched on the back

Hmmm

Maybe someone should knock up a website which simply parses the results of a query against MSN Live or Google.

Lets see what they do then...

More Cops!

@JimC

I would think it's a wee bit different when the person who puts up the ad knows that the majority of participants will be distributing stolen property.

@ the other freeloaders - As long as you exist I will support surveillance cameras, more police rights, less privacy, fingerprinting, DNA databases etc. If you don't want a world like that then learn to behave like a civilised human being ...catch my drift, Angel-Ass?

The black helicopter 'cause they don't take no s**t.

All Wrong...

This is a good example of an issue getting so polarized that both sides just end up spouting utter bullshit.

@Craig McLean

So right. This AC takes the pledge to never participate again.

No point really... can't fight crap genetics and crappier parenting... Ok I'll stop! Just wanted one last taste.

The Happy Face 'cause that's my new attitude.

@Mectron

How are the fairies these days?

"Beside the enterteiment industry is the ONLY sector where you cannot get a refund (by law) if you don't like a pruduct."

Really, so you don't like a jumper you bought, so you legally can take it back?

You don't like the taste of the lemon cake you ate, so you can take it back?

You don't like the Sofa you bought because it clashes with the carpet, so you can can take it back?

All protected by law.

News flash>

You are only legally protected when it comes to faulty or misdiscribed / labelled goods, not because you don't like them.....Many shops do this sort of thing out of goodwill.....

I'm off to return this 2 year old laptop, it no longer looks as good as it did....

"Freetards" and BitTorrent...

AC for a reason. I've downloaded ONE movie through BitTorrent. Because I couldn't find it at all, anywhere, even on Craigslist or eBay. The Frisco Kid. You show me where I can buy it legally on DVD, and I'll buy it.

Everything else that passes through my bittorrent connection is legal to download; Linux ISOs, my Windows Vista disc (a Microsoft rep told me they don't care where you get the media, since you're paying for the key anyway), and freeware apps. Oh, and the occasional shareware / trial program because bt is just so much faster (usually) than an HTTP download.

Every bit of software on my machine is legal. But because I use BitTorrent, I'm automatically a "Freetard" and a criminal, eh?

@Stu Reeves

Wasn’t really all that bad, your comment. Just the more embarrassing that you included the last line. It shows that you don’t understand the issue either.

<rant>

Apart from that: The RIAA and the MPAA are making sure that their company policies are treated as laws; they say this and that is so and you must stick to it, otherwise we’ll sue your skin off.

Is there actually a law that forbids pointing to the potential position of (copyrighted) content? I can’t see that google gets sued for providing me with a link to a(n illegal) video I didn’t want to see just because I asked for the correct measurement of horses heights…

Oh, just realised, what about the BBCs iPlayer? In the good old analogue days you could record the show of the telly and keep it until kingdom come. The iPlayer makes sure that you can watch it for a week (otherwise it would spoil the sales of the BBC DVDs).

Analogue copies deteriorate awfully with each copy generation. Specially the home video systems with their 2-line colour-shift did, so they were never really a problem to the ASSs. Digital video copies are clones. And had they not been so foolish to promote this without thinking of the consequences, they would not have to wimper about lost money now. I was just as happy with my old Laserdiscs as I’m now with the DVDs (and no one copied them).

</rant>

@William

"Stop spouting shite. If any crime being committed it is unauthorised duplication, nothing more. Certainly not theft."

Well actually, that's wrong. What is being committed is "Theft of copyright". That is theft, but it's not theft of property. These Ass. morons spend millions buying politicians and trying to convince people that copyright is a property right, when it is nothing of the sort. Copyright is a contract between the producer of works and the state. Nothing more. These fucks should get it through their heads that when you produce works you don't OWN THE WORKS - you own the COPYRIGHT THAT SUBSISTS IN THEM.

The state should automatically strip all rights from organisations that bring malicious prosecutions against common-carriers and information services. No exceptions. That'll stop their farting in church.

There is Justice after all!

Bloody good news. Pirate Bay next.

Same old crap and lamebrain excuses for doing something that is wrong from the people who don't want to pay in this thread.

I for one am glad to see Justice done.

Not just the US

"Theft of copyright" is where someone wrongly aquires the copyright - i.e. the right to make copies - of a work. This could be by getting the author of the work to sign documents they don't understand or are misrepresented to them, it could be someone falsely claiming to be the representative of an author or 'have the rights' to a work, or a variety of other things.

What we're talking about here is not that, but "infringement of copyright" or "breach of copyright" (actual term may vary around in different countries) - making or providing unauthorised copies of works with no claim of right being made at all.

I use torrents for authorised downloads such as software or books, and unauthorised ones such as music. I've often ordered something that wasn't distributed where I live after getting a copy off the net. Not always though. I sometimes delete stuff I've downloaded because I thought it was rubbish. Not always though - packrat mentality. I do legal downloads through sites like Amplifier.co.nz which provide all-local material. I still buy a lot of CDs - more than I did five years ago. But a lot of them are bought second-hand. Does it all balance out? No, I am a copyright infringer after all. But I figure I'm a fairly honest one.

As for the music industry, there's a few things I'd rather they were doing. Admitting that not every download is a lost sale is one of the first. So is cleaning up their act when it comes to paying the creators/performers. Part of that would be (in the USA) supporting a Public Lending Right. And maybe trying to get the 'illegal' links off the torrent sites rather than trying to close them down altogether would be more successful.

Shutdown google I say!

How long before they try to shutdown google?

You can find pleny of music/warez by just googleing for it, of if you cant be bothered rembering the arcane incantations you need to make it work well just go here and type what your after and it will google for it for you:

http://www.g2p.org/

@Not just the US

"Theft of copyright" is where someone wrongly aquires the copyright .

No. It's when someone takes upon themselves the right to make copy, when the state has granted that right to someone else. what you are talking about is fraud, which is completely different.

With so much misunderstanding of copyright, even in IT circles, it's little wonder these corportate gangsters get to ride roughshod over more inportant rights, like privacy for example.

@Dai Kiwi

"Theft of copyright" has both colloquial and legal meanings. The legal definition, in various countries, IS a type of fraud, as per the examples.

Well the "colloquial meaning" (whatever that is) has no standing in copyright law ( including the colloquial - and erronous - term "piracy").

"Making a copy of something without the permission of the owner is not the same as depriving the owner of the thing itself."

Of course not! You're depriving the owner of his copyright, not his works! that's why it's called "copyright theft".

Don't believe the hype!

For the general Copytard audience here at El Reg, let's say that we don't condone efforts to equate copyright with creator's defense and retribution -- unless your public monicker is Madonna or Spiderman.

Every piece of evidence clearly shows the RIAA and MPAA don't exist to finace artists, they serve only the industry money grubbing zealots. And one look at the history of copyright shows that it was like that from the begining. The artists only gets paid when there's no other option.

Mine is the one in kevlar, along with the mob squad shield...

@Steen Hive

Steeeeeen, hello, think please! Please explain "copyright" again, if you are so convinced. I'll try to make it simple and very logic by deducing it by the words the noun consists of: It's the 'right' to 'copy' (but only for the copyright holder). If you say it's a theft of the copyright, then you are stealing the 'right' to 'copy' - which is not what you mean.

Correct - and by the way widely used by the MPAss.A and RIAss.A when they talk law instead of desinformation - is the term copyright infringment, because there is no actual theft. They only *feel* being robbed of their money - that's why their marketing likes to call it theft.

Paris, because even she could get a basic grip of the issue - if she would care.

@Jonas Nagel

Look it up. Copyright is the *exclusive* right to copy granted to the creator of works, alone. It subsists automatically (in most juristictions anyway) in any creative work.

When you make a copy of a work you *deprive* the creator of his exclusive copyright THAT is what is stolen. Again look it up, and don't get confused with patent law or trade secrets, please. The term "copyright infringement" describes the infringement of the law not of the right.

Let me state clearly. "copyright" is a minor protective contract between the creator of works and the state. It is not an excuse for trampling over real rights, like privacy, it is not "Intellectual Property" or any other such makey-uppy twaddle. it is just that.