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Vatican updates list of mortal sins

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Anonymous Coward

Ok, where's the updated list? 

Happy

If possible, please put it in text format, preferably unified diff :)

Anymouse

Genetic engineering 

Stop

Hmmm, well they invented it in the first place... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Mendel ...'nuff said.

Mark_T

Ah yes The Don.....er Pope 

Is it just me or does this "advice" sound like a quote from the Godfather ?

"I swear on the lives of my children -- give me a chance to redeem myself, and I will sin no more."

"This pope has very different ideas from the last one."

I hope the Pope doesn't make us an offer we can't refuse.....

Christoph

That should drum up trade 

They can now condemn to eternal torture all those people who have been doing genetic manipulation for the last few thousand years, by selective breeding.

Dan

My word, what on Earth has happened to that drumstick? 

Let's face it, Christianity jumped the shark in 313 with the Edict of Milan.

carey pridgeon

how handy 

How handy that we have all these old men to decide what would upset a supposedly omnipotent being.

Interesting though, that an omnipotent being would get so upset, yet only these few people, of all those on earth, are privy to it. Remakable you might say....

Herby

Drugs, Pollution? 

Wine, breathing?

No more of that sacramental wine for you!!

Oh, and breathing generates carbondioxide, can't do that either.

We're all doomed anyway!

Anonymous Coward

Unfair! 

Coat

Well, good for the Chinese/Japanese. They can usher in serious genetic manipulation with no ill effects in the afterlife. Bummer.

What about "mind manipulation and perversion"? Still not on the list? Pity, eh.

Luckily, "engineering" is still allowed. Close shave here.

Mine's the one with the embroidered Nietzsche on the back.

adnim

Right but so wrong 

"Today is Monday, which means an addendum to the list of things Catholics should feel guilty about." Not just catholics either, much of the planets populace could do with taking some of this on board. In my opinion although all religious types, not just catholics, are living with delusion they do have some valid points.

Drugs... "weaken the mind and obscure intelligence." And faith in a fantasy doesn't?

How wealthy is the catholic church? What kind of luxury do the pope and his minions live in? And what do catholic priests allegedly get up to with prepubescent choir boys? Oh that's it, indoctrination, I was struggling to find the word for a moment.

"certain violations of the fundamental rights of human nature through experiments and genetic manipulations."... I presume they do not see the indoctrination of children as a violation of their rights to a balanced, open and honest education.

I think they should clean up their own house before they start telling anyone else how to live.

I am of the opinion that doing to others as you would have done unto yourself is sufficient premise by which to live without the threat of hell or damnation to confuse matters.

Of course if these people are right I am most certainly going to hell.

Ian Ferguson

Not File Sharing? 

Pirate

I know the Catholic Church is thought of for being out of date, but really, I would have thought piracy would be up there with the mortal sins, not to mention acquiring it's own circle of hell.

Anonymous Coward

Certain Rights 

Pirate

"certain violations of the fundamental rights of human nature"

Ah, the Catholica would be the ones to know. They who have violated just about every fundamental human right there was and denied that there were such rights to begin with.

Redefine sin? Easy. Sin is to -- don't hold your breath unless you're a Catholic (in that case, hold your breath for 12 minutes) -- do something damaging to yourself. Like kicking your neighbour's dog. Get it? Do the Kantian imperative, and whatever the Vatican may think, you're probably a more decent person than that bunch of lunatics will ever produce. Wonder how much Ratzinger paid the other Cardinals, anyway; anybody except me notice his triumphant expression when he went out to announce his papal name?

Aaaargh. Need more pirates, fewer Catholics.

Anonymous Coward

Intelligent... scientists? 

Gates Horns

I like it, obscures intelligence... surely they don't want more scientists?

Isn't it the drugs that make people see god?

Bill, because he is a sinner, for creating* home computers that suck up all of our coal...

*yes I know he didn't create them, blah blah

Jason tessmann

So... 

Flame

this is in addition to the previous seven, right?

So does that mean we get another seven holy virtues? Can we get an updated Divine Comedy, or maybe another Brad Pitt film featuring the updated set?

And lets say you committed these new deadly sins before His Holiness updated the list... are you cool, or do you need to go to confession? If so, I might need to make a trip. Pretty sure I've racked up quite a few. I wonder if my penance could be prorated...

It was tough before with just seven. Now these? Man I am so screwed...

Bracken Dawson

Genetic Manipulation. 

Gates Horns

Forgive me father for I have sinned; I helped feed starving nations.

David Shea

Rich v Poor religons 

Coat

Isn't the Catholic church one of the richest organisations in the world?

Does that mean it's in sin, as opposed, to say the less-worldly-goods Hare Krishnas?

mine's the cassock....

Tim Blair

kiddy fiddler? 

Unhappy

does vatican law still ban sex with women and hide sodomising alter boys between services? If in doubt move'em about and send all records straight to the vatican to dodge disclosure laws. sadly this is no joke......

Anonymous Coward

Clearly... 

Paris Hilton

They've been smoking too many drugs...

I wonder if the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster has a list? :)

http://www.venganza.org/

Jesus Puncher

Religion 2.0 

Heart

I notice the trend is all social.

May Allah strike them down with his botnets.

Seán

Kiddierape still ok 

Thumb Up

Thankfully the sport of Bishops remains a venial matter, one up the bum no harm done as they say down the curia.

heystoopid

The next step 

Pirate

The next step is to turn back the clock one thousand years before the printing presses released the masses from eternal servitude to the church and then ban all schools except those approved by the church !

Oh sorry Sally Kern , the peoples repuke rep of the State of Oklahoma and of a certain new notoriety concerning a recent recording denigrating another class of person which just escaped to the tubes ! Anyway back to the story in hand , has just had her new bill passed in the state lower house and is busy lobbying or peddling influence to get it passed in the state upper house(hubby dearest , is a church pastor by the way) ! As with everything this one little stone cast into the pond will eventually generate a tidal wave in the bible belt where Southern Baptists wankers will fall for it hook line and sinker , just like another dry era as before in another century past !

To me these new variations are identical to the old vices , but as rewritten by legal wankers in order to reapply the church from tending the spiritual needs of the flock to pulling all the strings from behind the throne as per pre Martin Luther reformation days of old, as bad habits and yearning for the imaginary illusion of the good old days just keep on resurfacing in different guises !

Oh well , let the ignorance not reign supreme thus ! , or is it too late and "Idiocracy(with apologies to Mike J.)" has now begun in earnest ?

amanfromMars

Bayerisches Ziel ...... Vorsprung durch TekNICQs 

Alien

"I hope the Pope doesn't make us an offer we can't refuse....." .... By Mark_T

Posted Tuesday 11th March 2008 00:07 GMT

I wish to Hell and the Heavens that he would, Mark_T, for I thought that was the mission/job/See.

Chris Miller

Greenpeace already have this concession sewn up 

They'll even sell you 'indulgences':

Father forgive me, for I have exceeded my CO2 footprint.

No worries son, recite 20 times 'there is no God but Gaia and Lovelock is Her prophet', buy a suitable number of carbon credits and sin no more.

Chris G

Jeesus H Kerist! 

If god had to depend on the vatican to get him elected as the supreme being, he would stand about as much chance of getting in as Adolf Hitler would as president of Israel.

Anonymous Coward

Isn't this list self contradictory? 

One sin is contraception and another is pollution?

Cars do not

cause pollution.

People cause pollution.

The world is over populated and the Catholic church has done more to foster the cause of over population than anyone else of the planet.

Johan Hartman

Catholicism 

Stop

Please, please, please, don't start Christianity or God bashing because one single denomination utters such bullshit. Most other Christian denomination would not even accept the concept of "deadly sins". Its just something they use to make people feel more guilty thus giving them more power over their lives (thats why they change to more widespread sins, because then they have more power), thats not what Christianity is about and the Catholics do NOT define Christianity.

michael

location 

nice story but shurley you are viloating a rule by placeing it in the scince section?

Anonymous Coward

Those seven deadly sins in full. 

Coat

1. Thou shalt not scare children into believing rubbish with lies and fairy tales.

2. Thou shalt not screw those special few attractive children in your care, (especially priests.)

3. Thou shalt not rewrite murderer's wikipedia entries, just because they happen to be Catholic.

4. Thou shalt not side with the third reich if they decide it's jews they want rid of.

5. Thou shalt not brainwash men into fighting wars for you, that you may control those who survive.

6. Thou shalt not covet your neighbour's (x-b) ox.

7. Thou shalt not issue crusade immunity to murder thousands of women and children of religions you find "unconvenient."

Dave

Bring back the knuckle shuffle 

I knew a bloke who said "I can't take catholicism serious, if you're halfway through a wank, have a heart attach and die without the last rights, you are off to hell. Kill millions and repent on your death bed and you are off to heaven".

jimbarter

from boingboing 

IT Angle

The seven social sins are:

1. "Bioethical" violations such as birth control

2. "Morally dubious" experiments such as stem cell research

3. Drug abuse

4. Polluting the environment

5. Contributing to widening divide between rich and poor

6. Excessive wealth

7. Creating poverty

Anonymous Coward

I'm so happy I left the church 

Alien

The money I save on tithes is enough to pay some nice ladies of negotiable affection a visit a few times a year.

Ratzinger is completely off his rocker, not that they were ever really sane. I think it was in one of the Pratchett books: "the only real sin is to treat people as if they were things". I can kindof agree with that.

Alien 'cos they're probably pissing themselves laughing if they're watching.

Anonymous Coward

Drugs weaken the mind? 

Stop

Say that after 5 dried grammes of Psilocybin

Oh, and, FYI, ALCOHOL IS A FUCKING DRUG!

A drug which;

* Is highly dependent

* Causes depression

* Causes street violence

* Contributes to theft

* Contributes to sex crimes (ok, so a pissed up tart may not be committing the crime, but it still contributes)

Lets see what they do with the "blood of christ" now

Andy Towler

@ The Actual List 

Go

OK, 1 and 7 are in direct conflict. Prohibiting birth control causes overpopulation which worsens poverty.

2 is subjective because morals are subjective.

3 If I use drugs as they were meant to be used, I'm not abusing them I guess...

6 is in direct conflict with the catholic church's worldwide assets.

Any more for any more?

Anonymous Coward

oh dear 

more proof that christianity is on the decline (yay!).

1) invent a nasty sky fairy with an evil temper

2) pretend that in fact, he's rather nice

3) invent things he doesn't like

4) offer the only absolution

by the way - does anyone know why the bishops still have rights in the House of Lords?

Spleen

All jokes aside, this is an open and shut case 

There is a clear discrepancy between condemning "excessive wealth" and the Catholic Church's vast piles of gold, and between drug abuse and using one of the nastiest drugs in existence (alcohol) in ceremony. But those are at least defensible. "We contribute x to the poor every year" "one sip of wine is harmless" (although the Muslim consensus that bad is bad and the amount is irrelevant is far more consistent), etc.

However, the Catholic Church policy of refusing birth control to the poorest people on the world keeps them in poverty. This is not exaggeration, this is not religion-bashing, this is direct cause-and-effect. Reduced family size is essential to lifting families out of poverty. They are, therefore, guilty of the seventh Sin 2.0 until this policy is reversed, which certainly won't happen under the current Fü... papa.

Catholicism just dropped below Scientology in the "credible moral philosophy" list.

amanfromMars

NeuReal Reformations ...... Another Bite at the Cherry Apple. 

Alien

"Alien 'cos they're probably pissing themselves laughing if they're watching." ... By Anonymous Coward Posted Tuesday 11th March 2008 09:24 GMT

I imagine you are not wrong, AC. :-) Perhaps they'll Give US a little Push in A.N.Other DirectAXXXXIOn.

And the alien because there's an XXXXPlanaNation for all of this ... a Simulated Cyber Assault on Systems of InfraStructure Control.

Morten Ranulf Clausen

Ahem... 

Happy

Why do we even care? Truly a really all-powerful being would not need something as pathetic as the Catholic Church to bring out his message but would head straight for the core DNS servers. Ignore them, they're trolling. :-)

Matt Siddall

Sin? 

I think of all definitions of sin, my favourite (and the one I try to live by) is this, from Robert Heinlein:

“Sin lies only in hurting other people unnecessarily. All other 'sins' are invented nonsense. (Hurting yourself is not sinful - just stupid)."

Anonymous Coward

*Yawn* 

Stop

Another predictable bunch of "Ug! Religious stupid. Me bash religious."

Any religious group can tell its members whatever it likes -- if you're not one of them, how on Earth does it affect you?

Besides -- you don't even know what they said: all you got was a pithy, watered-down soundbite version. I'm not sure, but I'd be surprised if the Vatican truly felt that vegetarian cheese (using GM bacteria in place of rennet) was a problem.

If I want to find out, well I suppose I'll have to go to a church and hear what a priest has to say. Unless and until I do so, I cannot make any educated comment on the matter -- and neither can any of you.

Grow up.

Anonymous Coward

Save a space for me 

Alert

Looks like me and everyone I know are off to hell as I had enough trouble with the current 10!!!! (3 down and still counting)

Anonymous Coward as her husband reads this site!!!!!!

Evil Graham

@AC Re: *Yawn* 

Stop

"Any religious group can tell its members whatever it likes -- if you're not one of them, how on Earth does it affect you?"

- Because quite a few of them seem to want to convert me or even blow me up just because I don't agree with them. I'd say it affects all of us, every day.

"If I want to find out, well I suppose I'll have to go to a church and hear what a priest has to say."

- As long as you realise you won't be getting a balanced view, or anything based on fact or evidence.

"Grow up."

- I *am* a grown up, which is why I stopped believing in fairy stories.

Christoph

@AC Re: *Yawn* 

Flame

"if you're not one of them, how on Earth does it affect you?"

How does it affect the women in third world countries who are refused access to contraception because these drooling lunatics are imposing their twisted hangups on the whole world? Quite a lot, I would think.

Steve

A bit hypocritical 

So the "good book", which is apparently the word of God, says that all the plants and animals were put here for my use. Does the Catholic Church know better than God?

As for social injustice, Mother Theresa took money from the Duvaliers who had stolen it from the poor of Haiti then used it to help the poor by building nunneries. Of course these churned out nuns who agreed with her thinking - that suffering brought people closer to Jesus. Therefore, she let people die in squalor instead of using the money she was collecting to improve their lives.

That's why I'm a Pastafarian - the rules make far more sense:

The Eight “I’d Really Rather You Didn’ts”

1. I’d really rather you didn’t act like a sanctimonious holier-than-thou ass when describing my noodly goodness. If some people don’t believe in me, that’s okay. Really, I'm not that vain. Besides, this isn’t about them so don’t change the subject.

2. I’d really rather you didn’t use my existence as a means to oppress, subjugate, punish, eviscerate, and/or, you know, be mean to others. I don’t require sacrifices, and purity is for drinking water, not people.

3. I’d really rather you didn’t judge people for the way they look, or how they dress, or the way they talk, or, well, just play nice, Okay? Oh, and get this into your thick heads: woman = person. man = person. Samey = Samey. One is not better than the other, unless we’re talking about fashion and I'm sorry, but I gave that to women and some guys who know the difference between teal and fuchsia.

4. I’d really rather you didn’t indulge in conduct that offends yourself, or your willing, consenting partner of legal age AND mental maturity. As for anyone who might object, I think the expression is go fuck yourself, unless they find that offensive in which case they can turn off the TV for once and go for a walk for a change.

5. I’d really rather you didn’t challenge the bigoted, misogynistic, hateful ideas of others on an empty stomach. Eat, then go after the bitches.

6. I’d really rather you didn’t build multi million-dollar synagogues/churches/temples/mosques/shrines to my noodly goodness when the money could be better spent (take your pick):

a. Ending poverty

b. Curing diseases

c. Living in peace, loving with passion, and lowering the cost of cable I might be a complex-carbohydrate omniscient being, but I enjoy the simple things in life. I ought to know. I AM the creator.

7. I’d really rather you didn’t go around telling people I talk to you. You’re not that interesting. Get over yourself. And I told you to love your fellow man, can’t you take a hint?

8. I’d really rather you didn’t do unto others as you would have them do unto you if you are into, um, stuff that uses a lot of leather/lubricant/vaseline. If the other person is into it, however (pursuant to #4), then have at it, take pictures, and for the love of Mike, wear a CONDOM! Honestly, it’s a piece of rubber. If I didn’t want it to feel good when you did it I would have added spikes, or something.

Lars Petersson

Huh? 

Joke

And here I thought Catholics were people who are addicted to cats...

Ba-dum tish...

Dave

How...uninteresting 

And totally irrelevant to the real world.

Why do people pay attention to these windbags again?

George Johnson

Re: *YAWN* 

Flame

I did grow up, part of which was casting of the shackles of a narrow mind, opening up and realising that if I communicate with people in a respectful manner, not ram my indoctrinated notions down their throats, they tended to be far more enjoyable company and I broadened my own horizons considerably.

George Carlin said "When I was young I was a Catholic, that is until I reached the age of reason."

John Foster

Sin and go no more 

Heart

There's no sin in Cincinnati. It's all across the river in Newport, KY. That's where the red light district and cheap booze is.

There are too many sinners out there. Where's an inquisition when we need one?

Joan of Arc --- Wasn't she the patron saint of welding?

We're "earth centric". Galileo was wrong-headed. Copernicus, be damned.

Newton's Social Laws of Sin:

I. A physical body will remain at rest, or continue to move at a constant velocity, unless a sin acts upon it.

II. The net sin on a body is equal to its mass* multiplied by its acceleration.

III. To every sin there is an equal and opposite sin.

* We Catholics know about masses, don't we? Be there or be square.

If anyone is going to foster any more sin lists, I'll have to take the mortal use of my name personally.

Jason Harvey

excessive wealth != greed ? 

I thought greedy people acquiring excessive wealth was the whole point of greed being in the original 7 deadly sins. so strike the excessive wealth, it's already covered.

Anonymous Coward

Genetic Modification? 

Coat

Is that something like Creating Man? Or pinching a rib and modifying it to create someone of the opposite sex?

And as for pollution, if it is a mortal sin, why doesn't God provide a few stone tablets with the plans for cheap fusion?

Swee' Pea

Picture 

Paris Hilton

Who's the guy with the bow-tie in the photo? Is he somebody I should recognize?

John Foster

God *DID* Provide, but somebody tripped 

Alert

Moses: The Lord, the Lord Jehovah has given unto you these fifteen...

[drops one of the tablets] *&#^CRASH&$%#@

Moses: Oy! Ten! Ten commandments for all to obey!

--History of the World: Part I (1981)

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