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Adobe Systems and Microsoft are jockeying for attention with pronouncements on new and planned software for the development of online content, applications and hybrid desktop applications. Adobe on Monday released the highly anticipated first version of its Adobe Integrated Runtime (AIR) with tools for programmers building …

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A plague on both their houses

Flash, Shockwave, Silverlight, AIR, Flex... It's all crap that's non-compliant with standards and designed to lock-in users to a proprietary software model.

I wish they'd all choke on some dark fiber.

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IE?

'internet exploder' - do people still use that POS?

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Pirate

Get yer nautical terminology straight, ye land-lubber!

Picturesque language, but lamentably inaccurate! Hove is the past tense so nothing 'hoves' - it either hove in the past or heaves in the present

To heave into sight/view is to rise or seem to rise over the horizon into view, for example a ship.

Retired Pirate

Icon for obvious reasons, yarr!

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Flexing

Cant speak for Silverlight, but Flex is pretty good. Looking forward to using Flex 3.

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@madra

Course people still use Idiot Exploiter - the clue's in the name

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@Morely Dotes

Thank you -- my sentiments exactly!!!!

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Cross browser?

Shame it's not cross platform. I'm sure MS think they're being awfully smart, offering me Silverlight to download, but only as a Windows .EXE, but actually it just makes them look like incompetent dickheads. Adobe's proprietary pap might not be fundamentally any better but at least they manage a Linux version.

The fact that Silverlight appears to be Windows-only makes it only marginally better than an IE-only technology in my view. Any company using this 'new technology' is screwing a small proportion of their customer base. Who's going to want to do that?

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Paris Hilton

Credit where Credit is due.

"Flash, Shockwave, Silverlight, AIR, Flex... It's all crap that's non-compliant with standards and designed to lock-in users to a proprietary software model.

I wish they'd all choke on some dark fiber." ......By Morely Dotes

Posted Monday 25th February 2008 21:48 GMT

That is as may be, but one has to be magnanimous and thank them for providing the cracking tools which unlock their software models.

Thanks, Adobe and Microsoft, for where would the CyberSpace ARG Program be without your Bias Core Help and BIOS.

Take a Bow and Wave ........Virtualisation salutes you.

And Paris because poor little rich girls are two a penny and need all the help that they can get in finding .........structure and meaning to their lives. Although empty AIRheads rather than classic Deadheads may be content enough to wander AIMlessly growing old outrageously and disgracefully.

One of Life's Great Pleasures?

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Just Another security hole

Don't know about you, but the idea of a web app being able to read and write data locally makes be want to block it immediately. didn't anyone learn from activex?

just visit another way for a site to happily write a load of spyware to your machine when you click "yes i do want my free porn" on the install prompt

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Standards war...

"Flash, Shockwave, Silverlight, AIR, Flex... It's all crap that's non-compliant with standards and designed to lock-in users to a proprietary software model.

I wish they'd all choke on some dark fiber."

You're right, let's stick to standards and use AJAX for rich applications... most people who will be viewing the website will be on nice compliant browsers, no need for a million and one hacks to get it looking/working the same for everybody.... oh wait...

Anyway, the core languages and runtimes of of both Silverlight/Flash actually are standards based, see ECMA-262, ECMA-334 & ECMA-335. All this discussion is just the Blu-Ray/HD-DVD war all over... most people don't care who wins because they're happy with bog standard DVD.

But if this were the HD war, then Flash/Flex/AIR would be Blu-Ray ;-)

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@Geoff Mackenzie -> Silverlight is also for Macs, and Moonlight is for Linux

Actually, Mac support is already out there, and Linux support is in progress.

http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2007/09/04/silverlight-1-0-released-and-silverlight-for-linux-announced.aspx

For Mac:

"Silverlight 1.0 and Expression Encoder 1.0 Released

Today we shipped the Silverlight 1.0 release for Mac and Windows. Silverlight 1.0 is focused on enabling rich media scenarios in a browser. Some of its features include:"

and for Linux...

"Silverlight for Linux Support

Over the last few months we've been working to enable Silverlight support on Linux, and today we are announcing a formal partnership with Novell to provide a great Silverlight implementation for Linux. Microsoft will be delivering Silverlight Media Codecs for Linux, and Novell will be building a 100% compatible Silverlight runtime implementation called "Moonlight".

Moonlight will run on all Linux distributions, and support FireFox, Konqueror, and Opera browsers. Moonlight will support both the JavaScript programming model available in Silverlight 1.0, as well as the full .NET programming model we will enable in Silverlight 1.1. Below is a screen-shot of the Silverlight 1.1 Flight-Picker application I built in my keynote at MIX running on Linux using Moonlight:"

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@Geoff Mackenzie

Since when has Silverlight been windows only???

What makes people look like incompetent dickheads is their ability to type silverlight.net into a browser before commenting...

"Silverlight supports fast, cost-effective delivery of high-quality video to all major browsers running on the Mac OS or Windows."

And there is also a version that runs against mono on linux being worked on, so it's a slight distance away from Windows only, methinks.

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Cant speak for Silverlight

neither can I, because it wont run on my Linux machines.

Unlike Adobe's tool...

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Paris Hilton

Microhoo! uses Hove to launch IE8?

What do Microhoo! want with a Sussex town to launch an IE beta? Have they put a bid in to buy it from Brighton?

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Deep breath

"Adobe Integrated Runtime (AIR) with tools for programmers building applications that run inside the browser and that integrate with the desktop"

AIR doesn't run inside a browser. It *is* a browser. You dont need a web browser installed at all on your system to run AIR. This is why I like it... does away with all those nasty browser issues.

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At everyone who pounced on me...

...Thanks, sorry, I stand corrected... I'll try digging a little deeper before I post next time. I still think the pages on MS's website that gave me the impression it was WIndows only by only offering a .EXE to download were pretty unprofessional though - they actually left me with completely the wrong impression it seems.

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Pirate

Softly, softly ......

"AIR doesn't run inside a browser. It *is* a browser. You dont need a web browser installed at all on your system to run AIR. This is why I like it... does away with all those nasty browser issues."...By Shell Posted Tuesday 26th February 2008 14:26 GMT

Bravo, Adobe .... very stealthy. A Command and Control Interface/Suite, Shell?

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