An Essex youth who was caught on a friend's mobile phone headbutting a police officer, and subsequently broadcast on YouTube, has pleaded guilty to causing actual bodily harm. The incident, which took place behind a row of shops in Hornchurch, involved local James Davis, 19, and Sgt Kenneth McNish, the Telegraph reports. In the …
hanging's too good for them
Good for the cop. Hanging's too good for those little chavs.
"He's getting all his blood in my face on purpose."
"That's against my human rights and you can get taken to court and fined and stuff"
Makes you glad to be English....
Really - something should be done to deter these people in the first place.
Harsh sentances and some control back on the streets. I'm not that old and it was never that bad when I was young. We certainly wouldn't have headbutted a police officer and filmed it all for YouTube. The world is certainly wrong...
With friends like his...
...who needs CCTV?
There have been times when the police have warranted assault. Like when they make up laws to shut you up.
The officer prodded the defendant?
Should have Tazered the little dirtbag. Now that *would* have been fun to watch.
Re: makes you glad to be English...
That's because when you were young mobiles didn't have cameras. I'm never sure if the reason why we see more of this sort of thing now is because it's easier to make it accessible (through technology but also due to an ambulance-chasing media) or because it's genuinely worse.
I fought the law and...
I am surprised that no one has mentioned the thickness of the skull of those involved given the scenario.
No use resisting the public face of our masters. Yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir is the most safe way to deal with a policeman. Yes they can be arrogant. Yes they can be ever so patronising. They can also appear to be extremely stupid, but in some instances this is just a charade to encourage one to incriminate oneself.
Resistance is futile, deal with one then there's a van full more to deal with, deal with those and the next lot turn up with guns....See where i am leading with this? It's best just not having a go in the first place. Amazing how some just cannot chain 2 or more related thoughts together.
"Yes officer, I sincerely apologise, it's my mistake, I will make my way home now if that's OK with you". Would generally work and get one out of grief pretty quickly in my opinion, provided one hasn't yet committed a crime.
There's just no point arguing with a sheepherders dog.
It does sadden me that they have to deal with such things. Punishment only deals with the symptoms though, it's going to be a long wait expecting society to change for the better. I wonder what values are conditioned into kids these days, and how many generations it will take to change, or is it going to get worse.
Evolution in Action
He's stupid enough to headbutt a police officer
His friend is stupid enough to film the incident and stick it on YouTube. Thus providing evidence.
They should be offered vascectomies rather than prison sentences.....
There's always been little grotbags who would show contempt for the law. It's just, perhaps in the old days they would be robbing banks etc.
Nowadays, they've not got the balls for that sort of thing so they just end up headbutting policemen.
@AC "what's the world coming to"
"We certainly wouldn't have headbutted a police officer and filmed it all for YouTube."
No - as I remember from my youth, people assaulting the police were mostly lobbing bricks and petrol bombs. Although the police at the time were also busy beating up anyone within reach and baton-charging them.
A simple alleyway scuffle is hardly news compared to the attacks on police (and police attacks on civilians) in the 70s and 80s.
Incidentally, it's mirrored here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDut5HI3Zz4
I wonder if the little DNA stain would have been so bold if the cop would have had a Glock .40 on his hip. I somehow doubt it.
I agree with previous post, let's say this together... TAZER.
The dead vulture, well, just because.
always been there, just get to see
from the comfort of your desk, couch.
Officer Deserved It
The Officer initiated physical contact (i.e. started the fight). Anytime anyone starts a fight, it is the right of the victim to defend themselves in kind. The Officer would not have pushed the kid if he wasn't a policeman and basically immune to prosecution.
One step closer to the end - when "officers of the law" can push citizens around without fear of punishment.
When I was young a mobile was the size (and weight) a large housebrick.
From experience I'd have to say that it is genuinely worse, at least in the area I live. 20 years ago someone being nicked for drunk-driving was front page news and any street violence resulted in a 2 page in-depth report. Now every week the front page is filled with multiple reports of muggings and and assaults and the town has taken on the look of an inner city ghetto with extensive graffiti (mostly tags, no arty stuff) and general vandalism.
I assume the local hacks back in the '80s weren't turning a blind eye, so the frequency and level of street violence is definitely *much* worse.
I have the same argument with my wife who insists that when Franco was in charge there wasn't any hooliganism, vandalism or any sort of ism, although Generalísimo sort of comes close. She won't have it that it was more likely due to the state controlled media not reporting any of it. However, I am open to the suggestion that if there were any isms then the ismee would just as likely get a good and well deserved drubbing which also might have had something to do with the appearance of a more civilised society.
I agree. The police officer should have the assault charges made against him or is it legal for police officers to push people? Double standards again.
The Romford Kiss
Most popular after night out at Time & Envy.
I agree to, the police officer initiated the fault by pushing the defendant in the face face.
Arent police officers trained to defuse situations and not provoke them?
Well, in that case, following your logic, if a policemans "prod" warrants a headbutt, then a headbutt warrants something like a good old throat slashing.
So I say well done to the police officer for showing restraint in not giving this little scumbag a second mouth!
Yeh, but no, but yeh but no...
Although I'm pleased the little pikey got punished, I'm interested to know which part of the Police training manual the "girlie push slap to the face" came from. We obviously didn't see the whole film, but that looks a lot like provocation. The pig, erm, policeman, should either control the situation or restrain the chav, not slap him about the face. Seems like he got what he deserved.
I'm surprised the defendant didn't try to get the filth, erm, policeman, up on charges of ABH or similar.
Set phasers to...
...stun. No, make it to vapourise.
Street violence is DEFINITELY much much worse now than in the 80s, the availability of mobile phone cameras and media hype notwithstanding. There is little respect for people or property and its about time that the police were given the right to... persuade... these little turds that they should behave.
Either that or give us the right to bear arms - it'll be messy for a while, but afterwards...
Bloody penguin as it asked a hoodie to stop throwing beer cans at his windows.
@Solomon Grundy & AC
Not sure whether you two are in the video, of a similar ilk (i.e. chavs), or merely bleeding-heart liberals.
If I was the copper I would have made sure I 'accidentally' dislocated or broke something when grounding the little snot and blamed it on the concussion from the headbutt.
Actual bodily harm
He's charged with causing 'actual bodily harm'? As opposed to what - imaginary bodily harm?
Stupid mate posting it on YouTube.
Stupid copper not having his hands up in a heated situation.
First rule of self defence - keep your bloody hands up. "Talk" with them as if you were an annoying salesman (hmmm, maybe that's whay they do it?....) and they don't even realise you have a guard up. Coppers get crap defence traning tho :o(
I was amused by the copper bleeding on the kid. If it's good enough for Stuart Pearce, it's good enough for me.
Pushing a suspect is allowed, if that suspect is encrouching on the officer (or acting in a threatening manner), and has been given verbal warnings to stand back. Never let a suspect get within reachable distance of your weapons, or his - an office must keep a safe distance between himself and the suspect.
That's the crucial point - the police can't do squat until a verbal warning is given. Which they are allowed to do at anytime they feel threatened, btw.
Perhaps I should watch the video first, but the above rule still stands.
<joke alert> Chavs like this will be first to the Soylent factory if I ruled [what's left of the the world] like the population/eco nazi dictator I obviously am. Two birds with one stone an' all that.</joke alert>
As opposed to "grievous bodily harm" most likely.
I first visited Spain as a young child in 1968 and was deeply disturbed by seeing a policeman in 3-cornered hat whipping a toddler with a belt for having walked on a flowerbed. Tell your wife she can keep her Franco-era memories and indeed would be welcome to have mine if I could ever get it out of my mind.
Back on-topic, you do have to marvel slack-jawed at someone stupid enough to banjo a copper AND THEN helpfully provide their own cctv evidence.
RE: AC response
If you, as a policeman, had done that to someone I saw, I would walk up to you and take your tazer out and show you how "non lethal" it can be.
re: Officer Deserved It
Don’t be ridicules. It’s not like the office punched him. You saying somebody prods you and you have the right to head butt them and break their nose. Well done you just proved your just as much a twat as the chav in the video.
There’s only one way to deal with scum like that – bring on Vic Mackey!
When did it become illegal for a policeman to prod someone? And if it is, surely the Police Officer is in a position of authority, and must place the necessary force to either restrain or show authority.
Ive not seen the movie, but assume the Officer didnt retaliate other than to restrain this future re-offender; As such i would say job well done. Rather than a night in jail or a telling off, where he could abuse other inocent persons, this criminal will 'hopefully' be punished accordingly.
I hope the little b*****d goes to jail
"The Officer initiated physical contact (i.e. started the fight). Anytime anyone starts a fight, it is the right of the victim to defend themselves in kind. The Officer would not have pushed the kid if he wasn't a policeman and basically immune to prosecution."
Horses**t, prodding someone is not starting a fight! and as for "the Officer would not have pushed the kid if he wasn't a policeman and basically immune to prosecution"; if we wasn’t a policeman he wouldn't have had to deal with the little scumbag in the first place (and considering that the little toe-rag is only 19 years old, I would hardly think that any grown man is going to be scared of prodding him, copper or no copper; its not like he was prodding Mike Tyson).
FYI the police are not immune to prosecution, the reason the punishment for assaulting the police is greater than assaulting other members of the public, is so they have they protection to be able to do their job. All people are entitled to work in a safe environment, however the nature of a coppers job does not make this practical, thus the justice system prosecutes those who assault the police much worse than the rest of us, as a way of helping to protect the police in what is an essential but very dangerous job.
NWA got it right...
I don't like the little scumbags either but the chavs need to be dealt with too.
@ Solomon Gumby (intentional misspelling) & anon friend
I truely hope that was scarcasm, as I hate to think that I would respond to somebody so dense. I for one enjoy p1ssing into the shallow end of the gene pool so try not to place yourself there.
1st I have severe grudges against some of the Met for their piss poor attitude, but for the most part cops tend to give you the hassle which you yourself ask for
If somebody will not cooperate with a reasonable request from an officer then he/she is permitted to "make physical contact" either to lead you away, restrain or arrest you.
It's different however for somebody like a store security guard is not allowed to restrain you (atleast up till a couple of years ago) on suspicion of shoplifting, they can however obstruct any exit until the police turn up.
Quite frankly the scumbag (chav not the cop) deserved more than he got, it was a cop this time, next time it will be somebody who won't buy him a pint.
As an aside :
However should a store security person grab you and you had knowledge of Akido you would (technically) be entitled to release yourself (and damage him/her in the process) as you had been assulted as you where defending yourself.
However this is due to Akido being unuseable without the other person initiating an assult upon you in the 1st place.
No, the next step in the escalation chain should legally be a roll around on the ground and punch it out scenario. The winner is the one who walks away. Obviously the pig won in this case, so under my system he would not be prosecuted. However, if the kid had won the pig would be prosecuted and branded a pansy.
Unfortunately I do not rule the world (or even the UK), so we must all abide by the set of laws designed to treat everyone equally. In this case the Officer started a physical confrontation without even beginning to display "threat mitigation" behavior (hands up, etc...). He should be fired, prosecuted, and possibly executed. The last thing the increasingly sterile gene-pool of the UK needs are short tempered "law officers" running round the streets starting fights.
I see that the censors...
...took my previous entirely tongue in cheek comment about parenting licences (lampooning the Daily Wail style nonsense above) the wrong way, then?
watch the video
Watch the video, you will see an open handed slap/push to the defendants head not a "prod". A prod:
prod /prɒd/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[prod] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation verb, prod·ded, prod·ding, noun
–verb (used with object)
1. to poke or jab with or as if with something pointed: I prodded him with my elbow.
2. to rouse or incite as if by poking; nag; goad.
An open handed push to the face is not a prod....
watch the "prod"
Shouting "Back off" then Open handed push to the face then "approaching the chav again to square up to him.
Could have been handled 10 times better by the cop.
Where's Gene Hunt when you need him?
Akido? How 'bout Bar Brawling
What does the form of self defense have to do with it? Whether Akido or Jujitsu, or just good old fashioned bar bar brawling it's still a recognized way to defend yourself. If the kid in the video is of the bar brawling ilk, then that's what happens when you assault them. If it was an Akido expert I expect the offender would be an side-chop to the throat (or whatever).
Re: Pushing suspects
Here's a tip for the plod: try backing off!
Police are already disliked (this is why they now have to go round in cars and call a van full of police when arresting a bulky 9st teen). This is because you've been far too long thinking your powers are a right and not a responsibility.
Nobody likes you. Maybe there's a lesson to learn there.
Computed Scores for Incident
"Respect mah authoritah!"
5 for the skull resistant headbutt
+1 for the victim being a cop
+1 for getting the cop to provoke you
+1 for having it recorded to show it to friends
+1 for the "I headbutted a cop and made it public" medal to show to friends
+1 for the conviction
chav total: 10/10
5 for choosing to be a cop and some days thinking you can do good
+1 for engaging the right person (headbutting bastards)
-1 for escalating the confrontation via physical contact and going towards what the chav looks for (giving them a 10/10)
-1 for either not anticipating the consequences of said escalation or thinking that you can do whatever you want
-1 for being unable to fend off an unarmed person
cop total: 3/10
5 for society
-1 for chav existance
-1 for cop existance
-1 for chav's better than cop's x1 score
-1 for chav's better than cop's x2 score
-1 for chav's better than cop's x3 score
+1 for always being hope
society total: 1/10
Doesn't fare too well.
What a load of liberal bollocks
The wee scrote had it coming. Full marks to the cop for taking a headbutt and immediately putting the boy to ground in a headlock.
In a fair society scroteboy would be looking at 5 years of hard labour, but there you go, bloody liberals have ruined everything.
Having watched the vid
Yup, that's assault. Bad.
Yup, that's a twat in a uniform. Bad.
So now that the tit who nutted a cop is going down, when is the police officer going for remedial training and a kick back down to constable?
Tux cos he'd have your eye out...
here we go again...
although I'm not a big fan of coppers, having suffered at their hands a few times meself, I detest evil little chavvers more. What really bothers me is how out-and-out violence and disrespect has become so glamourised that it scores points amongst the scrote's peers to put it up on YouTube! Along with the foul happyslapping craze and the recent stories about the guy who filmed himself peeing a dying woman and those women who made their kids fight and filmed that, I wonder what's going to become of our country? I'm just glad that pretty soon I won't be around to find out, we're clearing off to more civilised climes where we won't have to put up with this sort of thing from feral teenagers anymore.
what's the betting that the scrote is now a hero to his *homies* cos the copper right, he don' show him no respeck, innit? Scumbags.
@Punishment only deals with the symptoms though,
That is precisely the kind of twaddle that got us here in the first place.
There are possibly very many root causes that can be identified. One of the biggest is that a lot of the younger generation these days simply cannot deal with disappointment. Theirs is the generation that had everyone winning in school competitions to avoid hurting feelings. Theirs is the cosseted generation where "children come first" is the mantra of their misguided protectors. Systematically all punishments are stripped away in the vain hope that society will morph into some wonderous new thing. Instead the predicatable anarchy follows. And in response further steps backwards are made, concession after concession is given out in the continued hope that those that are the cause of so much grief and sadness will respond. They do, but not in the manner intended, they worsen instead.
We are all told that there are no no-go areas, but to a person we can all name areas near where we live where to go at night would be an act of extreme folly.
How do we win back our rights to a safe and peaceful existence? Not by continually back-pedalling in the face of adversity. We need the strength and commitment of our forebearers to push back with great deliberateness. Punishment must mean punishment. That it is painful is irrelevant. The mindless thug knows only strength, and that strength may need to be violent in the form of corporal or capital punishment. It is the only "justice" that they know - and they all laugh in the face of our national weakness. These people do not operate within the norms that most of us would wish to. They see "understanding" as weakness, and only respect strength. So why not give them all the strength that they can respectfully handle? Why not indeed?
It is not yet the time for most people to take the above at all seriously, regarding it all Daily Mail or bang on Right Wing. They will "tut" as each morning they open the newspaper to yet another killing. But time will inevitably bring us to that point of brutal anarchy. The social experiment of the past 40 years has been an abject failure, and it will continue to fail. Sadly there will need to be plenty more ordinary people - young and old - murdered on the streets before someone voted into power finally calls a halt. But by then our paramilitary police force will have utterly discredited themselves and lost what is left of the public's confidence. 1984 will seem like a picnic on a warm sunny day compared to what we will have to bear then.
I think that only when those that live behind extreme protection (i.e. our so-called leaders) begin to experience the impact of what they have created will they rise up against what has been done to us all.
Stop - because it has to one day, or life here will be intolerable.
Out of control coppers
The whole episode was engineered by the copper to provoke the youth, he just didn't expect the kid to headbutt him. Being a police officer means you have to be reliable and uphold the law which just didn't happen in this case. Whilst I agree that the kid could well have been due a nicking it's the coppers behaviour that is most worrying, he is inflaming a situation in order to get another arrest towards his target and his behaviour is symptamatic of the corruption and inefficiency that occurs to a very high level within the UK's police forces, honest cops would not allow this sort of behavior from the police to occur. Just watch any of the police "fly on the wall " documentaries on UK television to see members of the police provoke situations to get an arrest or turn nasty with the victim because they can't get the aggressor and all this is happening when the police are asking for their paper work to be reduced. It was exactly this type of policing that cause the creation of the Police & Criminal Evidence Act (PACE) and even that is failing now. No doubt this comment will result in cries of anguish from the coppers who read El Reg but to those coppers I would say look at what happened and ask yourself honestly have you ever seen a colleague create a situation like this and then cover his back for him or even done this yourself, if the answers yes then don't post a reply unless you are prepared admit to provoking someone to enable you to nick them, that's not policing it's vigilanteeism and taking the law into your own hands, and as ACPO and the courts often state no one can take the law into their own hands.
Of course I'll accompany you to the station officer, I'll just get my coat.
> what's the betting that the scrote is now a hero to his *homies* cos the copper right, he don' show him no respeck, innit?
Then they're right. I think too many coppers have ceased to respect civilians. Which is stupid, considering that civilians pay coppers via taxes. This one, secure in his uniform and protected position, tried to push a civilian around. Literally.
I hope we'll see more of this.