ARGH! #
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 13:21 GMT
No no no no no no no!
It was bad enough when my stuff became BTYahoo! I like certain things about MS stuff, but please please please keep them separate from Yahoo!
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 13:21 GMT
No prizes for guessing which other company prompted this move:
"Today, the market is increasingly dominated by one player who is consolidating its dominance through acquisition."
"This combination [MS & Yahoo!] enables synergies related to scale economics of the advertising platform where today there is only one competitor at scale."
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 13:21 GMT
Can't compete with their own product, so they buy an existing one off the shelf... I'm expecting an update to IE shortly (if it goes through and Yahoo takes their money) which will set all searches to Yahoo...
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 13:21 GMT
No no no no no no no!
It was bad enough when my stuff became BTYahoo! I like certain things about MS stuff, but please please please keep them separate from Yahoo!
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 13:21 GMT
If this goes through, Im outta Yahoo and anything to do with them (including emails and portal home page.). Nothings sacred with Microsoft anymore.
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 13:21 GMT
...for just about everything aside from Windows and Office.
1) Identify opportunity.
2) Realise someone's already come up with a neat solution.
3) Attempt to compete (and use questionable tactics if necessary).
4) Struggle to gain satisfactory foothold.
5) Buy competitor.
6) Glue it to Windows.
6) Profit (doesn't matter, it's driving Windows)?
Coming soon... MS bids for Nintendo (Wii for Windows)? Or resurrects Sega!?
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 13:21 GMT
Zimbra is an increasingly attractive alternative to Exchange, and just recently(ish) got purchased by Yahoo. Its future suddenly doesn't look so rosy.
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 14:47 GMT
there goes the neighbourhood. there's a reason I don't have a hotmail account, it's shit. now I'm going to be forced into one, joy.
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 14:50 GMT
"Together we can offer an increasingly exciting set of solutions for consumers, publishers and advertisers while becoming better positioned to compete in the online services market."
"Exciting" probably means adding Yahoo's "!" to a typically unwieldy MS name like "My MSN Live Hotmail Book Messenger!".
Contrast this with Google's simple "G" device...
"!" vs "G" it is then...
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 14:50 GMT
If you cant beat them, buy them..
as long as you have a big wallet
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 14:50 GMT
And we're very cross because it's not us.
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 14:50 GMT
Holy! Anti! Competitiveness! Enquiry! Batman!
You can be sure Goooooogle will bitching about this in due course. Any chance Google might try and buy Apple now?
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 14:50 GMT
"Today this market is increasingly dominated by one player."
Ha ha ha I never thought M$ would ever say this about another company!
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 14:50 GMT
"A year has gone by, and the competitive situation has not improved"
Read between the lines, and it sounds like Microsoft are almost saying "we need your help [against Google] and are prepared to pay for it"
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 14:50 GMT
What's this? Microsoft trying to suggest that monoploies are bad and competition is good? HA! When it suits them perhaps...
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 14:50 GMT
So in one hand we have Yahoo, who say they can improve but haven't really improved.
In the other hand we've Microsoft, who has a plan to kill Google, but now the Microsoft plan is to buy Yahoo. Their plan is so serious, that they're trying to buy yahoo...again. What is the microsoft plan to kill google if yahoo doesn't wants to be bought, try to buy it again the next year? Why all the spending in R+D in their online division, why live.com, if their plan is to buy a company that they admit that it's in bad shape?
This just shows how desesperate is microsoft.
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 14:50 GMT
$44.6bn?
Thats seriously over valuing Yahoo!
By $44.59bn
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 14:50 GMT
OK, well let's start from the premise that valuations of internet businesses are nearly as insane as they were during the dotcom bubble (previous purchases of bits of MySpace etc show that), but what on earth do MS get from this - the Yahoo brand?
As far as I can see, Yahoo has a crappy portal that looks like it was thrown together in about 1992; an email service; what else?
MS appears to be throwing 44 BILLION DOLLARS at something they already do (arguably better) themselves, in exchange for a declining market brand (seriously, who uses Yahoo any more? 5-10 years ago, maybe, but now?) that is basically dead in the water.
What am I missing here?
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 14:50 GMT
I've worked with internet technologies for 10 years at an ISP. Searching has become synonymous with Google. Everyone I know says 'Google it' instead of 'search' for something. In addition most people I know have Google as their homepage.
What can a Yahoo!/Microsoft hybrid really offer that they're not doing already?
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 15:03 GMT
Yahoo! is worth that much???? Bloody hell, it's always seemed like such a cheap manky, spam ridden site. Like the Lidl's of search engines. The shop you'd rather not go to in case you catch something.
Google would be Tesco online I guess.
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 15:03 GMT
This act seriously shows how vulnerable they feel by the domination of Google in WWW. Wonder what excuse Yahoo can come up with this time. After all Steve's made them an 'offer they can't resist' or can they ???
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 15:03 GMT
Here they come to save the day!!
Thank God we have a company like Microsoft who're willing to challenge monopolies at every turn!
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 15:03 GMT
exactly how many Yahoo! Stock! Holders! actually fell of their chair when reading this.
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 15:03 GMT
So it's the usual MS strategy is it? So rather than bother developing a better gathering engine for MSN, lets simply buy a huge database from
someone else, that already has all the data we want.
Oh and and Yahoo execs better speak to MS building facilties to make sure they get the same contractors in to secure the furniture, especially if Mr Ballmer is making visits.
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 15:03 GMT
the only company that can hold a monopoly is Microsoft. In the online services area, we must have competition.
In the software area, not.
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 15:04 GMT
Looks like the rationale here is online advertising, according to MS's statement & letter to Yahoo! (apparently there's a 'synergy', as opposed to a 'gestalt').
So expect a Yahoo! portal tightly integrated with later versions of Windows/Internet Ex-sploder, with Office online somewhere in the mix (and lots of lovely, lovely Web 2.00), all supported by absolutely tons of online ads.
Can't really see any of the competition watchdogs doing too much about the proposed acquisition, as they're already nervous about the Googleplex.
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 15:04 GMT
So Microsoft is offering a ton of cash and saying that Yahoo! sucks anyway, the old stick and carrot approach I pressume?
Who stole My coat?
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 15:04 GMT
Wow, MS are to become the largest users of open source software on the planet, and pay US$44.6 bn for the privilege or will they migrate to their own dogfood and bring Yahoo! up to the wonderful standard we have come to expect from Hotmail.
Icon, 'cos Bill runs BSD now
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 15:04 GMT
rather than innovate to compete to Google.
Sad that Yahoo is worth only $44 billion .
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 15:04 GMT
Expensive way to expand its customer base.
A better business model may be to pay each user a dollar for every search through MS live. 44,6bn buys a LOT of searches. The planet times 8,
PhilipN
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 15:04 GMT
Yahoo own Flickr - one of the best photo sharing websites used by pro photographers and the rest of us. Acclaimed for its no-fuss minimalist ease of use of its many features. Yahoo also own del.icio.us is a versatile website bookmarking/favouriting tool, again winning on ease of use and simplicity.
I would hope that these invaluable tools are not affected by an acquisition. Microsoft may try to promote uptake of its own proprietary technologies by introducing them into these tools. And that would restrict how they can be used. Compatibility is the enemy of competition and using proprietary technology as a safeguard to profits is an outdated idea. Google have had phenomenal success without needing this approach.
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 15:04 GMT
nice timing of this when google announce their quaterly results, i guess microsoft are hoping to mitigate any regulatory questions by hiding behind googles massive earnings last year/quater
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 15:04 GMT
the exlcaimation marks were necessary, today's the day!
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 15:04 GMT
I'm worried about the El Reg Headlines if this does go through. Will El Reg put a ! at the end of all Microsoft stories?
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 15:04 GMT
What % of the webmail market share would Hotmail and Yahoo mail have together? Not sure what other segment this would lead to a more or less monopoloy.
Makes some kind of strategic sense to me. No idea on the financials.
Just hope MS don't screw up Flickr and Del.icio.us.
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 15:04 GMT
I would like a credible alternative to Google. I do actually like the idea of another big player... Yahoo! and MSN can't truly be said to be in the same leaugue in terms of revenue (that's MSN - not Microsoft as a whole). With any luck they may use the privacy angle to try and hurt Google. It would be nice if it wasn't horded in quite so an alarming way by Google.
On the other hand, I have a feeling that it will be a case of two sinking swimmers clinging to each other as they both drown.
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 15:04 GMT
"either cash or Microsoft stock"
Cash for me, I think. Lovely to think that Ballmer is grumpy again because someone else looks like being a monopoly...
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 15:04 GMT
Due to the upcoming merger of Microsoft with Yahoo! There are new plans to charge for both MSN (And Microsoft Live!) and Yahoo Instant Messangers if you forward this e-mail to 100,000,000 people Microsoft and Yahoo will track it and pay you $0.02 for each "impression" by e-mail as well as reconsider charging for the services.
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 15:04 GMT
"Can't compete with their own product, so they buy an existing one off the shelf"... sounds just like the Yahoo modus operandi to me. Flickr!, etc. A match made in heaven
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 15:04 GMT
"Together we can offer an increasingly exciting set of solutions for consumers, publishers and advertisers while becoming better positioned to compete in the online services market. Developers, developers, developers!!"
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 15:04 GMT
'....someone is monopolising the market and it's not us!' - MS
Strangely enough I think it would be a downgrade of Microsoft for it to buy Yahoo!
Posted Friday 1st February 2008 15:04 GMT
Yahoo runs on BSD, MySQL, Apache(I think) and a goodly chunk of PHP if I recall. First that is going to happen is some propellor heads from Redmond are going to try welding Server2003, SQLServer and IIS into place. I imagine Jeremy Zawodny's resignation will not be too far away. Cue mushroom cloud. Goodbye Yahoo. Goodbye investment.
As for Zimbra (the company) - built on services for Zimbra (the Open Source platform). The services company is toast but the software isn't. Fork and be merry, lovers of freedom.