Send for Superman - another American invention LOL.

So much for global protection - what happened to all these so called missiles that are supposed to protect America - do they only work if they are fired at items not stamped "Made in America" ?

Be scared - be very scared - it's almost funny if it was not so damn dangerous.

Is this going to "accidentally" take out a Middle Eastern or Chinese embassy somewhere in NA? Testing new payload-delivery methods. (Esp if using a nuclear "power source" as mentioned above!)

am I just paranoid?

Let's say, FOR EXAMPLE (as in Hypothetically speaking) a government wanted to give a black eye to another government without instigating WW3.

Ooh, one of our satellites is going to crash. Hmm, it might have a nuclear power cell which could destroy a few square miles and it might land in our back yard, but it could land anywhere really.

Sorry about that.

Oops.

Who said 9/11?

The so-called hazardous material is merely hydrazine.

BTW, the Russians, who are fond of putting full blow nuclear reactors on satellites, had one of those reactors crash in Canada. On January 24, 1978, the Russian Cosmos 954 reentered over Canada, with debris hitting the ground in frozen and scarcely populated areas in Canadian Arctic. They also had a nuclear reactor satellite, Cosmos 1402, fall uncontrolled January 23, 1983. Even when the Russians de-orbit one of their nuclear reactor powered satellites in a controlled fashion, they still have the reactor vaporize on reentry and spread nuclear contamination in the Earth’s atmosphere.

The US has never put a nuclear reactor into space. For deep space probes where the solar intensity is too poor to use solar power, the US uses radionuclide decay powered thermoelectric generators. (And yes, for those plutonium is a favorite choice.) For Earth orbit satellites, the US (and ESA) use solar power.

"...a worldwide network of hobbyists who track satellites for recreation..."

I'm wiping the tears from my eyes. Thank you for that laugh, you've brightened my mid-week.

So this thing is *new*?! I thought it was some 30 year old cold war relic. Bloody hell. I can't imagine a better metaphor for government tech projects: A huge meteor flashing through a polluted sky, its message of catastrophic failure writ in letters of fire a mile high, pissing debris, cancer and wasted tax dollars across the entire nation.

PH because to her it'll signify the fury of her ancestors. I bet she sacrifices that poor dog/rat to appease the sky god.

... because I work only a few blocks away from that building in the picture! "Shut her down, Clancy, she's pumping mud!"

"According to Pike, the satellite carries a new generation of spy equipment, able to provide round-the-clock intelligence."

Did the old ones need a snooze every now and then? See what happens when you work too hard... burnout.

... you're just paranoid. If this had been a plan, they would have made *sure* it landed on the enemy, but it's not: it's going to land on them.

Unless of course their plan is for it to radioactively trash a few square miles of the USA, recover it and then "discover" that the reason it fell out of the sky was owing to something China did....

If I remember rightly, the hazardous materials they're worried about is the left over guidance jet's fuel - hydrazine (I think?)

Whether it's true or not, I guess we'll never know!

Anything you know about what powers a satellite won't be accurate. Apollo had plutonium batteries, not full reactors which wasn't a deep space probe and it came back.

Although solar is the norm now, it doen's mean there isn't a back up power source as this is a 24 hours military satellite which by it's nature isn't in the sun all the time.

Anyone thinks the US military is honest isn't really holding their full rack of marbles.

China and America have anti satellite missiles, dare say israel, japan, europe and russia have them. (Through purchase) and there is also the anti missile laser covered by the guardian a few years back.

...and for those conspiracy theorists the shuttle camera that was released that films behind the shuttle showing the laser beam coming from earth at the UFO trailing the shuttle (with the added sound of houston telling the astronauts to be silent as the world was listening to them) Remember the BBC program that showed it?

It's all PR and all smoke and mirrors at the end of the day.

I do wonder if America would put the effort into protecting Europeans from their problem, it only takes action when North american soil is in danger.

Call me a cynic.

Hmm how long till,

US Spy Satellite: Condition: Used: Starting Bid:99p appears up on ebay?

Is North Korea ready to take evasive action?

Or perhaps they just want to assasinate Musharraf in Pakistan?

Or maybe they have some general idea of the Osama's cave complex, and Bush wants a vicotory in the WoT?

Or Castro, or Chavez...

Why not just let it drop on Australia like they did with Skylab! If they chose the same spot again they would get away with only a fine of around $1150.

Assuming of course that you only add inflation to the same fine they paid for Skylab.

If it does indeed have anything radioactive then they only have to overshoot a few hundred km's and drop it where the British dropped their A-Bombs. Nobody will ask them to clean it up then.

What's so funny? I don't know if it is a "network", but there are thousands of amatures around the world that track satellites with nothing more amazing than optical telescopes.

http://www.heavens-above.com/

Ohh this is just like Alistair McLeans Ice Station Zebra. It will land short in the Arctic and their will be a mad dash between the USA and USSR to get to the microfilm capsule, stuffed with military secrets, that has survived re-entry.

Can I be the British operative that saves the Yankie bacon whilst averting a face off with the Ruskies? And I want to command the submarine that gets them their.

Is that asking too much?

Get the BOFH on this one - he hates trainspotters so just think of how he'd react to Satellite Spotting.

I'd be very surprised if this satellite was to land in Europe or somewhere that the US would give a damn. Only the chance of it crashing into The Pride Of The World spurrs them into action. As for recovering anything, it might be kinda mangled so I wouldn't think there'd be too much left to recover from the big smoking hole in the ground (33%) or the water (66%) - can there be a smoking hole in the water???

Just shoot the bloody thing down. You're telling me a Stealth Bomber can't get up to 60-odd thousand feet and launch a low yield nuke at it or something?

Superman is Canadian?????? Well I guess that's why he wears his underpants on the outside, eh? What's that aboot then?

What would Billy Ray Thornton and Bruce Willis do now... or Liv Tyler (well I'd do Liv Tyler but that's another story).

Paris Hilton because... well she looks good, it's only when she talks the trouble starts. So I guess there's only one thing left to do with her mouth.

"able to provide round-the-clock intelligence."

If that's true, we really, really *need* it to land on the White House, so that the First Chimp will have a shot at making a speech without looking like the missing idiot from a Texas village.

So lets hope it does not hit one of the bigger oil tankers.

As a yachsman it annoys me "slightly" that the sea is considered compleatly safe for dumpping any size of space rubbish. Perhaps the reason is that there probably will be no evidence left of an accident.

About Superman:

Superman is a fictional character, a comic book superhero widely considered to be one of the most famous and popular such characters and an American cultural icon. Created by American writer Jerry Siegel and Canadian-born artist Joe Shuster in 1932 while both were living in Cleveland, Ohio, and sold to Detective Comics, Inc. in 1938,

The most stupid part of this is that they didn't actually design the satellite to burn up properly. Ask any reader of spy novels and comic books: First rule of secrecy/spy work is to be able to destroy your secrets: cyanide capsules, write on rice paper so you can swallow it etc. Some creative thought involving explosives and a temperature sensor would have been a good idea.

I doubt very much that you could get useful encryption keys or any such off this beastie. Those won't be written on a label like a MAC address on a router or on a bit of paper stuck inside the service door. About the only thing you could get that would be interesting is knowledge of the capability level and perhaps some stuff like optics etc.

The US are terrified of crashing these things on own soil and damaging an SUV or giving someone split ends. They also don't want to crash in Asia (they'll copy the satellite, except make em smaller and in three diferent colours) or Europe (damn commies). That's why they control-crash most of their stuff here in the Southern Hemisphere with lots more water and only a few of us sheep/goat worriers who aren't the complaining type. If Skylab is anything to go by, then most people would welcome the satellite. The Skylab finder made quite a bundle and they had it as a prop on Miss Universe.

I haven't checked but is the next Miss Universe soon? [PH coz she'd know]

Why not ask the Chinese to shoot it down?

Answer: it's probably meant for them.

Wouldn't it be just perfect if this one started to line up for a quick visit to the off-white house up in penny avenue?

//Svein

" They don't know where it will land. Therefore it will either end up in water or on land. "

Well, it could end up in-between. Assuming it lands somewhere in the vicinity of Scarborough fair, that is.

Yes, that's my coat. The cambric one on the peg over there, smelling of mixed herbs.

"Although solar is the norm now, it doen's mean there isn't a back up power source as this is a 24 hours military satellite which by it's nature isn't in the sun all the time."

yeah because all geostationary satelites go offline overnight don't they. can't wait till summer when sky can broadcast past 5.30pm in the evening...

psst if you don't get sarcasm, they've got batteries that are charged in the sun.

The satellite that came down recently in Peru was rumoured to contain a radioactive isotope (Pu-238 ?), and the mysterious "gas" from the crater as reported in "normal" media that left visitors to the scene feeling ill was actually radiation poisoning.

But then again like all past NORAD crash projections of falling satellites even though aiming to dump it on Canada it will miss by several thousand kilometres to hit some island like Iceland , Bermuda or even the remote Azores !

Let the fun continue !

Can this be considered a "Friendly Fire" incident?

The US abandoned nuclear reactors on satellites fairly early as it perfected efficient solar cells for its reconnaissance satellites. They could put their satellites further out where solar arrays were less prone to atmospheric drag and make up for the greater distance with superior optics.

These things are as big a buses because of all the fuel they carry. It's either that or plutonium firing helium discharges.

The fuel is for overcoming gravity anomalies and friction. They use tiny amounts of fuel to correct the orbit or to change it to suit a topical event.

Having failed to locate it properly they probably used up most of the fuel intended for minor orbital correction on getting its error corrected. Or tried to.

Larger or more modern solar panels will only have served to cut size and weight. Most of the 24/7 ability would have come from rechargeable batteries. Early varieties built up a problem locking into a poor charge cycle due to the regularity at which they were drained and charged.

That problem gave rise to the idea that power packs on earth need to be fully drained before they are recharged.

"They don't know where it will land. Therefore it will either end up in water or on land. "

Not nessesarily. It could wind up on an ice shelf, or in a volcano. A nice symmetry there - one is water that is solid, and the other is land that is liquid.

He was neither solely an American or Canadian creation - In fact, Superman (Kal-El) was created by American writer Jerry Siegel and Canadian-born artist Joe Shuster in 1932. He is of course not from either of these countries, but the last son of the planet Krypton and biological son of Jor-El and Lara Lor-Van.

Where is he when we need him though? Man of steel my arse!

"some percentage that it could land on ground as opposed to in the water"

Well, you can tell he's an expert. No wonder they need(ed) something to provide round-the-clock intelligence...