Posted Friday 18th January 2008 12:49 GMT
[sad mode] You haven't seen Genesis of the Daleks have you, Lewis? The dalek (or "Travel Machine") was created to mobilise and protect the horrible mutated aliens (and arm them to the teeth), not as a remote battlefield weapon. It's a bit like postulating unmanned personnel carriers. [/sad mode]
Posted Friday 18th January 2008 13:00 GMT
RC flying combat droids - surely *the* present for xmas 2008?
Posted Friday 18th January 2008 13:00 GMT
I guess you missed Genesis of the Daleks? Davros specifically engineered the (human with dodgy 70s makeup) Kaleds into the green blobs we all know and love to hate, and then built the Dalek machine specifically for them. No remote control, it was designed symbiotically from day 1.
On the other hand, if you'd mentioned Cybermen, they had little remote control silver rat things that were more than capable of jumping on an assistant and making her scream until someone found the nail-polish-remover or a handy lump of gold...
Posted Friday 18th January 2008 13:05 GMT
[verysad] And as far as the Daleks are concerned, they were deliberately mutated by Davros, a research scientist, in order to achieve his aims. Now makes me wonder about all this human / animal embryo work they are looking at. At least the US is ahead of Davros in one thing, his daleks took about 10 series to learn to fly...
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Posted Friday 18th January 2008 13:15 GMT
Bound to have adapted something already existing, you'd think. Such as a military recon drone ... go on, fall into my trap again.
Muahaha
Posted Friday 18th January 2008 13:15 GMT
In addition to scaring the bejeesus out of enemy combatants, couldn't this flying dustbin be used on the next generation of missions to Mars? Stick a bigger fan on it to compensate for the thinner atmosphere and away you go. It's got to be quicker than rolling those super-slow-mo golf carts around the planet. Real-time piloting might be a bit tricky, of course, with a round-trip signal time of 10 minutes or more...
Posted Friday 18th January 2008 13:45 GMT
we could assume that the early prototype travel machines had other methods of control than a dalek sitting inside them since the life support functions would have been added later. That said the weaponry was added after the life support and was a suprise to Davros' own scientists.
In short humans are outdoing daleks in terms of violent tendencies here.
Posted Friday 18th January 2008 13:46 GMT
Suppose it'll be OK with a quiet zero point energy fueled anti-gravity engine, but surely stealthing across enemy territory would be a bit err...noisy at the mo.
Mind you, would mind strapping a seat to one and using it for commuting.
Posted Friday 18th January 2008 13:46 GMT
Doesn't that term apply to all military leaders from any country?
The only thing you can ever say about military leaders is that when the proverbial hits the fa, they are safely to the rear. All this means that they can be even safer in their bunkers while it is the tech guy who is danger, repairing these misguided scifi specials!
Posted Friday 18th January 2008 14:06 GMT
Actually, there was remote control of a sort over the Daleks- remote enabling/disabling of features, voice command, etc. Again, from Genesis of the Daleks:
"And now, I shall turn the machine over to Total Self Control". Suggesting that Davros was in control prior to that point
And to teacake, t'was the Mark 3 Travel Machine.
Mine's the bonded polycarbide battle armour, thanks. TAXI!
Posted Friday 18th January 2008 14:06 GMT
<RPG>I thought the Daleks (inside the dustbins) were all genetically engineered! A predisposition to hate everything else in existence that wasn't a Dalek, and so therefore became the most bloodthirsty race in the universe to discover the use of toilet plumbing equipment as weapons of destruction!</RPG>
Paris Hilton angle?
Posted Friday 18th January 2008 14:17 GMT
I think the real question is, why the heck won't Firefox recognise <grenade> tags? Perfectly acceptable HTML to my eyes. Enquiring minds want to know...
Posted Friday 18th January 2008 14:55 GMT
It certainly would be a cunning plan to use these on Mars, were it not for a Baldrick-sized problem - refuelling. By definition, keeping something in the air uses more energy than letting it sit on the ground. These things need an operator to pour a new bottleful of jet fuel into them every so often, which isn't so practical when they go to Mars and the nearest operator is a few million miles away. Even the Mars Rovers have power limitations with their solar panels that restrict what they can do. Trying to use solar panels to power a helicopter is basically a non-starter, I'm afraid.
Helicopter icon for obvious reasons... :-)
Posted Friday 18th January 2008 15:17 GMT
<grenade> tags?
after reading you post anon, i loaded it in IE. it doesnt recognise them either.
Posted Friday 18th January 2008 15:33 GMT
...why are my <RPG></RPG> tags not working? Perfectly acceptable HTML, in my 'umble opinionations!
Yes, mines the one with the dodgy green camo and the ammo bandoliers...
Posted Friday 18th January 2008 16:19 GMT
Air density is a real problem. Mars has 1% the atmospheric density of Earth, so the rotors / fans would have to be huge. Granted you have some help from the lower gravity (38% Earth's) but your mass remains constant so control is an issue due to inertia. You'd have blades rotating at extreme velocities, barely catching air, and be unable to redirect your course due to inertia. It's much harder to shove the thing where you'd want to go. There'd be a huge amount of wasted energy even trying.
The rovers, on the other hand, run on less power than it takes to run a light bulb for a day.
I've read that NASA is working on something that could fly on Mars, but so far it's more on Dragonfly model than on a hoverbot. Of course it may have to hover somewhat, because a normal landing at velocity would result in a crash. 38% gravity isn't much to get purchase with for tires or skids. Again, inertia would be the problem.
Posted Friday 18th January 2008 16:45 GMT
No really. When this is all in place who is going to be able to resist the yanks then?
Posted Friday 18th January 2008 16:45 GMT
It's an imperial probe droid.
It's a good bet the Empire knows we're here.
Posted Friday 18th January 2008 16:56 GMT
Speaking of Doctor Who, one of those new ones had those little floaty ball things with the head inside and the buzz saws- they probably had a name. Anyways, I'm reminded of that scene where a great dimensional crack opens in the sky and millions of those little computer-animated things come pouring out to enslave humanity.
I saw an army robot once on youtube that was basically a remote controlled helicopter with an automatic shotgun attached. Imagine if they could attach a shotgun to these, produce them in the hundred-thousands and then just unleash them in a magnificent deadly swarm on an enemy urban environment to corner, retinal scan, and do some calculations to decide whether the subject needs some shotgunning.
We wouldn't need soldiers anymore. Wouldn't need people at all. I give it forty years, tops. If you could produce them in the millions, whomever controls the software could rule the world. Even better than Daleks.
If you're an embedded systems programmer, I recommend getting a job with the US Army as soon as possible- only way to be safe. Put in a good word for me.
Posted Friday 18th January 2008 16:56 GMT
Mycho - In short humans are outdoing daleks in terms of violent tendencies here.
Not really, Davros had to genetically manipulate the Kaleds to have their violent Universe domineering attitude. Humans are miles off that yet. There will have to be significant research and modification of the Genome before we have the need to go wiping out everything that's not like us...
Oh, hang on...
Posted Friday 18th January 2008 19:30 GMT
Don't worry, we'll first start by turning them on ourselves, or at least those among us who believe in abominations like evolution, global warming, habeas corpus, and not torturing people.
Then we'll try to let them loose on the rest of the world, but at that point there won't be anyone left who's intelligent enough to build them.
Posted Friday 18th January 2008 19:34 GMT
They were called "Toclafane" (I did have to look that up). A bit like Imperial probe droids. And they had bits of people in them, too, so not quite a match.
Though, with all the cloning going on, how long till we stick people brains inside our robots. Seems to be progressing faster than AI....
Mine's the one that looks like a pepper-shaker, thanks. Saves me from having to catch the bus...
Posted Friday 18th January 2008 21:22 GMT
Yes and no. The Daleks were mutated by a nuklear war and then modified in more subtle ways by Davros so as to ensure their survival (ie so they want to kill everything that may one day be a threat and then the rest to be on the safe side)
For a genius Davros seemed remarkably dense in not realising that he wasn't a Dalek and thus would fall foul of this.
Posted Friday 18th January 2008 21:56 GMT
Your idea of aerial travel for mapping the Marian surface has enough merit that it's already been (more or less) developed by NASA. However, something requiring no refueling is perforce going to be extremely light-weight and flimsy by normal Earth standards (and probably won't survive the first windstorm encountered on Mars, either).
A balloon, however, while not really steerable, would serve admirably for atmospheric surveys, just as they do on Earth. Our own stratosphere is then enough to simulate the Martian atmosphere, so we have plenty of experience with such devices.
Posted Saturday 19th January 2008 01:26 GMT
All this talk about Daleks is silly. As *American* robots these machines will behave as follows:
Power-up: shouts "By your command!"
Combat mode: shouts "Crush! Kill! Destroy!"
Recon mode: shouts "Danger Will Robinson!"
Power-down: shouts "Kiss my shiny metal ass!"
And they can't survive a debate with William Shatner...
Posted Sunday 20th January 2008 00:20 GMT
Let me know when Firebox.com get them in stock ;)
Posted Monday 21st January 2008 03:33 GMT
To welcome our new dalek-esque overlords!
Posted Monday 21st January 2008 03:33 GMT
These could be good because the "good guys" can fly them around and when the "bad guys" get worried about being spotted by the flying daleks they'll start shooting at them which should alert the "good guys" to were they are.
Or they might just alert the "bad guys" that the "good guys" are near by and give them time to ambush/retreat/set trap, etc...
(Note use of quotation marks....)
Posted Monday 21st January 2008 09:01 GMT
I can help you out there:
"Good guys", people that can afford them
"Bad guys", people that can't
So just another tool to maintain the status quo then.
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