Sounds just like the government plans for the NHS - close GP surgeries/ hospitals and shepherd everyone into polyclinics (last seen in failing Eastern European healthcare systems). Remove doctors from frontline clinical care and replace them with noctors (nurse practitioners, emergency care practitioners, medical care practitioners, pharmacy care assistants etc.)

No doubt the system will cost twice as much, kill twice as many and make a killing for the privileged few private contractors/ PFI merchants that have the ear of this government.

I don't have a problem with the rozzers getting a new crib with decent centralised facilities and road links. And the idea of high street "Cop Shop"s is, I think, sound. Couple of caveats though:

The Community Support Officers in the "Safer Neighbourhood Teams" have to have actuall full-bore police officer support as part of their team.

If the holding cells are colocated with the local HQ building and that is closed to the public, how are detainees to receive their legal representation? Or the visit from their relative bearing bail? Or have I been watching too many TV shows?

Instead of having maybe a hundred or so people working in once police station, take a normal house in a street/estate and have 2 or 3 coppers basing themselves there - then people can just pop round if they have a problem, they're nearby.

In this day, communicating with the central office wouldn't be a problem so they can still go about their day to day jobs, admin staff and whatnot, plus probably booking and cells could remain cetralled somewhere.

I like how this community policing bollocks done by do gooding numptys shall take place mostly during daylight... becouse that's when most crime happens.

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How will this create faster response times? How will it be quicker for the police to arrive from their new central station in the middle of a borough than it was to arrive from a station on the nearest high street?

Or is the point that as we continue the march towards a police state the police won't be required to go anywhere as they can monitor everything everyone does remotely via CCTV and the internet. The police won't bother coming to arrest you personally, they will just contact you and invite you for a nice cup of tea - in room 101.

This simply highlights that the role of the Police Farce in the UK is now to control the population as directed by the government. We are all now to be seen as potential terrorists or Brian Haws unless we can prove otherwise from our complete surveillance record and biometric identification.

This approach simply formalises that the Police are there to control the population on behalf of the government and the large commercial interests who 'donate' to them. As long as we are good little consumer sheep we 'have nothing to hide and nothing to fear', as soon as your surveillance database record diverges from 'normal' or 'desirable' behaviour a snatch squad will be sent from a 'patrol base', guided in real time by facial recognition on pervasive CCTV, Automatic Number Plate Recognition, real time monitoring of your Oyster card and credit card transactions (once the NIR is used by banks the Govt will see the transactions) and active tracking of your mobile phone. Feel like Will Smith in 'enemy of the state' yet?

I don't blame the Scottish and Welsh for wanting independence from this police state, George Orwell was well short of the plans of Jack 'Boot' Straw and his ilk in government. How about we get honest about the United Kingdom and call it the English Democratic Republic and call our Police the Stasi?

It just gets worse.

Inreased visibility is THE BEST crime prevention tool.

What we are going to get is out of town superstations next to MFI and B&Q. No police on the streets and criminals rampaging round the streets knowing they have 30 minutes to walk away before the police battle their way through the traffic/find the place as they are no longer local and then go back as the crims have gone.

Large bases that the public aren't allowed in, away from the trouble areas. And have a force of "locals" actually plodding the streets. Who says the govt. never learns.

All we need to do is increase the number of armed officers and replace their hats with berets and you'll be there.

At least you will know where to go. The large warehouse complex containing all those 90 day terrorist suspect, hidden away on an industrial estate. These place already exist, or something remarkably similar.

There is the Yarls Wood Immigration Detention Centre, were the government incarcerates dangerous women and children pending their removal form the UK. Where international criticism has been brought to bear because the UK government is imprisoning children for not committing an offence. They just happened to accompany their parents to a land of freedom and democracy. It must be a really and truly horrible shock to these poor people to arrive in a land blessed with freedom and democracy only to be taken to a far off place and locked up with no recourse to justice.

The police, seeing how these things work, felt jealous and, filled with envy, are now making their own plans to have similar prisons^H^H^H^H^H^H police stations and prevent anyone getting in who may find out what they do.

I despair of the direction in which we are heading.

Searching people with no reputation for carrying weapons does not reassure anyone, it pisses off the people who are being searched. When you are constantly accused of misbehaviour there is a tendency to misbehave, why?, because you are getting blamed for it anyway, or at least accused of it.

Will we ever survive the damage of new labour ? or are we doomed to traipse along behind the americans and head for Neo Stasi solutions to non existent problems.

Given that I've been stopped and hassled by the police way more often than by scary teenagers in hoodies, this might make my life easier.

At least when they are holed up in their out of town fortresses only venturing out for baton practice on some poor sap it'll be easier to get the average middle class house owner to see what's going on.

Hyperreal policing has existed for several years. This move brings the real and concrete into line with the established hyperreality. And it will be concrete. And barbed wire fences where the police can feel really (?) safe from the public, who might just turn up to ask where real policing has gone to.

Meanwhile HMG treats laws as publicity stunts, new ones to be unveiled to consuming journos every month, but thereby bringing the principle of Law into disrepute, and slackening on the pursuit of large-scale crimes such as fraud, while promoting "community" efforts against dropping fag ends, leaving dustbins on the pavement for longer than someone likes.

Meanwhile HMG treats communities as hyperreal abstractions, inventing new ones as publicity stunts to be unveiled to consuming journos every month, but thereby destroying communities and community spirit, closing pubs and bingo halls with specious fears about passive smoking and promoting "community" efforts against dropping fag ends, and favouring community-by-tower-block, or community-by-secure-housing, where it apparently matters less that you talk to your neighbours but that you have some abstract attribute in common, as if simply being old enough to be retired gives you anything in common with the person next door.

Meanwhile HMG treats policing as a hyperreal abstraction, for consuming journos (you're getting the picture now), manufactured by inverting and inflating some element of reality, and after a lull to see if the kite flies, destroying the reality. Roads need policing, say? Speed cameras in. Hyperreal distortion of the results. Elimination of traffic police. Now try fraud. Try real terrorism.

Deceit by conceit. And by a mistaken rationalist sociological positivism which is continuing to obsess our "leaders" (another hyperreal concept) as never before in their pursuit of a NAU or a EU. But then the sociological positivism is also a hyperreal delusion.

Before being disgusted, be amazed.

In Spain we have the "Policia Local" (local police) who are like community police.

Then there's the centralized "Guardia Civil" who handle the big jobs.

This has to be the most categorically stupid thing I've heard in a long, long time.

How much of an idiot do you have to be to even _suggest_ this as an idea.

"In Spain we have the "Policia Local" (local police) who are like community police."

Not quite the same. A Police Community Support Officer does not have powers of arrest and they are only allowed to detain you for 30 minutes - just make sure you commit your crimes further than thirty minutes from the giant cop warehouse.

They are basically a cheap way to give the impression of a police presence - hence the nickname "Cardboard Coppers"

"The worrying thing is that what happens with the Met often then filters out to other forces."

Not sure, but I think it was Carlisle, where I was rather surprised to discover that what I thought was a badly maintained charity shop was in fact the "police station". And, as it was 6:30pm and all the crims had gone home for their tea, it was closed.