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D'you know the most interesting thing about Palm's Treo 500v? It's a Windows Mobile smartphone without a stylus. For years, we've been noting PDA and, later, smartphone makers' attempts to overcome the Microsoft OS inability to work one-handed, but until now no one's quite succeeded. Past Palm and recent HTC devices have come …

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Yawn

I'd rather be interested in a Pearl II review.

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why, oh why, oh why...

...must manufacturers (i'm looking mainly at you, Nokia) think that using the, admittedly standard, 2.5mm jack is a great boon to us all? it's not the *widely accepted* standard 3.5mm one and is therefore halfway to useless because i _still_ need an adapter to use my fave headphones.

aarrgghh!

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But does it work in the car

I've got about 10 Treo 750Vs that as soon as you plug them into the vodafone approved car kit they crash and get errors, not very useful for the mobile based personnel who would require such a device.

Any idea if this one actually works? Also check my ebay page for a lovely Treo 750V ;)

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Threaded messaging

Do any other phones do the threaded messaging (IM-style) of PalmOS? I'm not looking to ditch my Palm, but should worst-come-to it's probably the biggest thing stopping me from going to any other mobile OS.

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2.5mm jacks

@Andy - I don't mind the 2.5mm jacks so much. As you say, they are standard, and you can pick up good (cabled) adaptors on Ebay for a few quid. I lose them only when the headphones they're attached to go missing, but I keep a couple of spares at home.

It's also useful to have them around, as a lot of my friends carry phones with 2.5mm jacks so if someone wants to choon up a nearby hi-fi at a party, I just lend them the jack and everyone's happy. Sometimes I even remember to get it back afterwards.

Worse is manufacturers using proprietry ports. I was disgusted at HTC when Orange sent me a Touch and I found it had some weird connector. HTC have always been so good at this.

Good thing I was intending to list it on Ebay and buy a 680 with the proceeds. Now I have a shiny red Treo with change for some decent Shure E2Cs. Happy as Larry (however happy he is...)

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WTF are you smoking?

"D'you know the most interesting thing about Palm's Treo 500v? It's a Windows Mobile smartphone without a stylus. For years, we've been noting PDA and, later, smartphone makers' attempts to overcome the Microsoft OS inability to work one-handed, but until now no one's quite succeeded."

"Past Palm and recent HTC devices have come close, but the 500v is the first to hit the market without its manufacturer feeling the need to include a stylus even just in case."

WTF are you guys smoking and can I have some?

In my previous job I had an HTC Windows Smartphone, the 500c or something like that. It ran Windows Mobile 5 and had no stylus, no need for a stylus, didn't have a touchscreen and worked fine one handed. Other than the long boot times it was a pretty good phone and it's successors were better.

The first two paragraphs of this review are such complete bollocks that I can't bring myself to read further. Now if it were a new Palm, rather than a new Windows Smartphone made by someone calling themselves Palm I might have persevered. But it isn't. It doesn't even look like a Palm.

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Re: Threaded Messaging

The palm threaded messaging app has been hacked to work on most HTC phones, such as Tytn, Tytn2, Touch etc. Google for it.

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Slippery Stuff

"Gone is the tactile rubber-like feel of old, replaced with a varnished look that helps the 500v slip in and out of pockets and bags with ease"

Does this mean that it also slips out of your hand and smashes onto the floor with the same ease as previous curvy backed zero friction Treos?

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First no-stylus phone ???

I second Dave Murray: I have a TyTn and I barely pulled out the stylus. I also have the new 8GB SonyEricsson W960, this is what I use nowadays and I lost the stylus weeks ago and I'm doing absolutely fine, didn't even buy another stylus - simply I don't need it.

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