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Lancashire Fire and Rescue Service has announced it may introduce a fee for shifting fat people, after a sharp rise in the number of heavyweight call-outs. According to the Telegraph, the service was last year summoned eight times to "assist other services in lifting obese patients" - double the 2004 figure. One crew had to …

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Anonymous Coward

Bollocks!

Charge the fat people and not the services, I'm bored of knowing my tax money is going on people that can't control their eating and are too damn lazy.

(Need an icon for blood boiling)

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IT Angle

Damn straight!

Great idea.

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Unhappy

Quite right too

It really pisses me of when fatties demand special treatment (bigger seats on train, busses, planes, etc, etc). Irrespective of how much they bluster about their excessive lardyness being a medical condition (slow metabolism, etc), it really just boils down to an imbalance in calories eaten to calories burned.

The reason this pisses me of is down to my own physical 'deformity'. I'm rather tall (6'6"), which means travelling on busses, coaches, trains and economy air are bloody uncomfortable. However, unlike the lardies, there is bugger all that I can do about it.

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About time

It's about time airlines started charging people by the exact amount of fuel used to carry the total weight of themselves and their baggage too...

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Happy

Why the Fire brigade?

Methinks the hospitals, doctors or whoever should just call a haulage company or commercial removals company. I really don't see the need to call the fire brigade. Setting fire to the obese persons premises might cause them to move of their own accord rather sharpess. And if the don't then the crem is saved a job..LOL or even care in the community. Limit their access to all those calorie packed goodies. And please don't mention that its in their genes or what ever, I yet to see the fat man in a Japanese prisoner of war camp or any concentration camp. It all comes down to the fact that their cakehole is bigger than their A$$hole. The fire brigade could of couse make the building safe by nailing their doors shut and installing a very small cat flap so that only small amounts of food could be delivered?

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hmm just like Airline seats

"The service stressed that the charge will be levied on "hospitals, nursing homes, the police or other agencies", and that individuals will not be expected to foot the bill."

The lard lad should pay for being FAT. Why should the already strapped NHS pay out for obesity (when it's not for genetic reasons). I for one don't want to pay for another's gluttony, that just make it more acceptable to be grossly fat, and we are talking about extremes here arn't we ? You can't argue that will make more people anorexic.

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are you joking ?

Fat people have no-one else to blame but themselves.

if they get stuck in their own home thats their fault.....to not levy the individual is INSANITY.

to pass this charge onto hospitals, nursing homes etc is wrong, just plain wrong.

another burden thrown onto our healthcare system by stupid people, smokers, drinkers and fatties should all have to bear the cost of their freedom of choice

you choose to eat so much & not exercise

you choose to inhale carcinogenic smoke

you choose to introduce toxins into your system by drinking alcohol

You should have to pay for all the consequences !

it's just wrong that the cost should be taken by others for these truly stupid people !

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Aircraft

Yeah, the whole passenger and luggage should be weighed, got charged excess baggage one trip when the was some great fat lard arse in the queue next to me who would have totted up at least twice my weight.

If they started charging the greedy lazy lardbags, then there'd be an added incentive for them to lose a few tons.

>you choose to eat so much & not exercise

>you choose to inhale carcinogenic smoke

>you choose to introduce toxins into your system by drinking alcohol

It's only the first one that doesn't tot up punitive taxation.

BTW Couldn't they just leave them in their houses without doughnuts for a couple of weeks and then they'd be a whole lot lighter?

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But with all this talk of fat people...

(see icon)

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Re: Aircraft

I know I'm taking this too serious, but charging individuals by weight on plane would not be fair. I'm six foot tall, so why should I be charged more for flying than a 5 foot tall woman who weighs half my amount. And that's before you take into account my jeans and boots will weigh considerably more than the young lady's tiny skirt and strappy sandals.

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@Tim Croydon

She has a tiny skirt and you're wondering why she gets special treatment??? ;o)

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damn strait!

The fireservice's job is to put our fires, not to help fat people get to the hospital cause there too lazy to crawl there themselves

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@ tim

Tim, we are all consenting adults, if you want to go to the airport in a tiny skirt and FMSB's then I won't object (especially if your six foot or more) ....

Some very right wing views here, - airtravel is one thing, but emergency services are quite another. If a lardy pays their taxes they are as much a citizen as the next person.

If it was private healthcare or indeed a private fireservice then I can see the tariff rising per claim, but we live (thankgod) in a society that values all its members equally, including the vastly overweight blubbermountains unable to reach far back enough to wipe properly.

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Paris Hilton

How short is the skirt?

Is she pretty?

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Workaround

If I set a fat person on fire then they wouldn't be able to charge me.

Also, it would warm my house more cheaply than the central heating.

Any ideas where I can buy a fat person? I'd prefer nearly new, though slightly soiled might be okay.

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@Chris

"If a lardy pays their taxes they are as much a citizen as the next person"

If you need the fire service to get out of your house, I very much doubt you're working and paying taxes.

But i've gotta agree with these charges, but not with making other services pay the bill.

If you're fat, it's your own fault, why should we have to pay?

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@Tim

Tim,

if you think about it, it IS fair to charge you more than someone who weighs less, as it does in fact cost more to transport you (more aviation fuel is required to lift your mass than that of someone lighter). It's likely to be a very small difference, but it'll be there.

Imagine, if you will, two identical flights, and the total luggage etc. weighs the same, but everyone on one flight is a skinny young 5-foot lass, and everyone on the other is a 6-ft-plus rugby player. I bet I know which would use the most fuel. (I also know which one I'd rather take the spare seat on... ;) )

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@jason

"If you need the fire service to get out of your house, I very much doubt you're working and paying taxes."

Might work in IT ?

UK never does things properly, if we are going to start singling out minority groups for re programming or special treatment or even eradication .... can't we start with politicians and move on to Local Councillors etc who think up these harebrained schemes

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Re: Workaround

You don't want one that's too sweaty, hard to light and the smeel would be bad.

BTW I'm over 6 foot and would probably have to pay more than Kylie on a plane as well, but I know what I'd rather be sat next to.

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Re: Aircraft

What about if you work out a fair height to weight ratio and charge for excesses?

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Re: Aircraft

What about if you work out a fair height to weight ratio and charge for excesses?

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Where do you draw the line though?

So if we are going to charge people for medical treatment, for things that they caused themselves, where do we draw the line then?

Several people have singled out smokers, drinkers, gluttons etc. - are we going to add people who drove recklessly and crashed, people who didn't look where they were going and fell off something, failed suicides perhaps? What about drug addicts? They'll have to do extra crime, to pay for their drugs plus the hospital fees they've racked up.

Why not charge the person who brought all the food to the fat person, since we've already established that the fattie can't get out of the house themselves to buy it (or work to pay for it)?

Pretty soon it all gets out of hand, doesn't it?

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There's cash in them thar fatties

Perhaps I should set up fat ambulance service if occurrences are that regular?

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actually.......

my mate has a piano removal company. He's always removing windows and crowbarring weighty objects around tight corners. Good rates national delivery. £CALL

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Planes and skirts

Surely the 5 foot hotties luggage will weigh incrementally more than the 6 foot egg chaser? I know my luggage is generally about half the other halfs :)

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@Evil Graham,

Agreed, very easy to get out of hand, and soon life becomes a prison, (except i dont own a plasma screen, jukebox, etc etc).

Personally I dont think its a bad idea, not amazing but not bad

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another burden thrown onto our healthcare system by stupid people, smokers, drinkers and fatties should all have to bear the cost of their freedom of choice

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Smokers and drinkers do - something like 75% of the price of a pint is tax - if everyone stopped smoking and drinking tomorrow there'd be quite a tax shortfall for the next financial year.

Please carry on blaming the smokers, drinkers, fatties, drivers and so on for uneccessarily draining the health service. Blame people who lead healthy lifestyles while you're at it - they live too long, spend longer in retirement and may need longer term care in their dotage; the aged are a serious problem after all. Blame anyone who spends money abroad, thus stealing tax revenue from our beloved government. Blame the mentally ill, the Unions (civil service strikes cost the rest of us) - and definitely blame the extremely rich who somehow manage to dodge the taxman.

The mark of a civilised society is how they treat their most vulnerable - personally I'm all for "re-education centres" ... although I'm sure there was an Austrian chap some 60-70 years ago with similar ideas.

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@Daniel Hutty

Got a thing about rugby players then?

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@jonb

'you choose to inhale carcinogenic smoke

you choose to introduce toxins into your system by drinking alcohol

You should have to pay for all the consequences !'

You cannot compare smoking and drinking to being so excessively fat you need help to leave the house. Most people who smoke and drink still manage to go to work and pay their income tax, council tax and all the others that the government heap on us.

I both smoke and drink but live a quite healthy lifestyle compared to most people I know. I have regular health checks and the doctor tells me everything is fine while warning me about the dangers of smoking.

I know the dangers, I am an adult and capable of making informed choices. I realised long ago that no amount of exercise, healthy eating etc is going to stop me dying so I might as well enjoy my life.

Now consider how it will affect the country if everyone gives up:

Total tax revenue from tobacco sales per year - £9.3bn

Total money spent on tobacco related illness by the NHS per year - £1.5bn

Therefore, I have paid for my stay in hospital should I need it as well as any treatments while at the same time contributing far more to the economy than a non-smoker. Why should I have to pay more when I already have?

Total tax revenue from alcohol sales and excise duty - £14bn

Total money spent on alcohol related illness by the NHS per year - £1.7bn

Again, as a drinker I have paid for any stay in hospital many times over while providing much needed tax income for the treasury

Total NHS budget 2006/07 £95bn

So total tax revenue from these two things provide enough tax for just under a quarter of the entire NHS budget.

Total spend on illnesses related to these two things is about just over 3% of the entire budget.

This is just taking into account for the alcohol and tobacco. It does not take into account the amount of income tax etc paid by the thousands of workers involved in manufacture, distibution and supply.

Whereas someone who is unable to leave the house because they are so fat are probably having their housing costs and council tax paid for by the government, claiming benefits and just paying tax on the things they buy. As most food is tax free, this does not amount to much. In this case it is more than fair to charge them for use of the services as they have not contributed towards them.

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f**k you andyb

Seriously - fat lazy lardy people????

My wife was is twice the size of me, but eats half the food I eat and does twice the exercise. She diets, works and exercises.... so tell me, why is she labelled a fat lazy pig? We can stop being as fat as she could be, but without surgery or drugs we will never get her thin.

I agree that alot of fat people are obese through laziness, but the media only shows one side of the coin. At the end of the day, some people can't help being fat - and they hate that they are because of people like you. She was walking down the road the other day on a walk, when a kid started playing a fattie song on her mobile phone and giggled. People are ignorant and prejudice against fat people just for being fat - they dont care why, just assume its the persons fault. Eastenders portays fat people are big, greedy thick bitches who live with their parents so it's no surprise really. At the end of the day, she could diet even more, but then she would be on the "juice" diet that makes people go up in arms about health issues in models and kills people - but as long as it makes her thinner huh!!

This is a bad idea, next we will be charging more for council tax in bad areas for the extra policing needed there, or the fire service charging more to put out fires in high-rise flats because of the extra risk associated with using the lader or more hoses.

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why the anger ?

I am amazed at the amount of nastiness and malice directed at over weight people on this comments board...

if you went back over the last few posts and substituted gays,black people,foreigners,jews etc for the word fatties then there would simply be uproar.

So why is it acceptable to attack people just because they are fat? If you ask me its because some humans appear to want to hate other humans and they will seize any way to do so...now you cant be racist openly or anti-Semitic then the narrow minds single out some other arbitrary section of society to attack.

I feel sorry for people trapped in their own homes by depression, eating disorders and anxiety, and i'm not surprised they dont want to leave their homes seeing as though all you lot appear to despise them simply because they are heavier than you are !

If you all band together into an organised group perhaps you could persuade government to set up some sort of concentration/death camp to solve this "problem"

To be charitable I am assuming all the negativity is coming from the mouths of uneducated young people with no life experience, if not then perhaps you should look long and hard at the amount of malice you harbour towards various minority groups.

regards

adrian

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@Ned Fowden

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"Fat people have no-one else to blame but themselves."

I'm 1,93 cm and weight 148kg. I also happen to have a nice ,genetic -PROVEN- Hyper-Insulemia syndrome and losing weight is extremly hard for me. Should I shoot myself ?

"if they get stuck in their own home thats their fault.....to not levy the individual is INSANITY."

Hi, your grandma called, she just broke her hip-bone and has to be evacuated.

Can we shoot her down now or do you have a credit card on your person ?

"to pass this charge onto hospitals, nursing homes etc is wrong, just plain wrong"

Same original budget here. from your pocket, all of them are paid.

"another burden thrown onto our healthcare system by stupid people, smokers, drinkers and fatties should all have to bear the cost of their freedom of choice"

It's your freedom of choice that made you cross out of the pedestrian lane. not mine I ran you over with my car.

"you choose to eat so much & not exercise

you choose to inhale carcinogenic smoke

you choose to introduce toxins into your system by drinking alcohol

You should have to pay for all the consequences !"

I happen to be poor and can only afford Lidl, Aldi or Leader Price cheapest salt and fat enriched foods.

I happen to be a walker, and I inhale the fumes of your cars

With all this misery around me, I do try and buy something to drink to alleviate my misery.

I'm already piss poor and slighly enhubriated. Leave me alone, bastard.

"it's just wrong that the cost should be taken by others for these truly stupid people "

Your parents did pay for your schooling from start to end ? you never benefited from any governemental help ? you paid the whole of your hospital notes ? you personnaly had every roads built ? I mean I am rich, my kids go to a private college, I have my own surgeon and use my 'copter or private jet. Why should I pay taxes and such for your own petty needs ? I hate poor people. it's just wrong that the cost should be taken by me for you, a truly stupid person

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Re: Evil Graham

i'd love not to have to do that, in fact i'd love to blame the government for not providing enough resource.

our services are already overburdened, the last thing we need is for each service to start charging each other.

why should any hospital have to pay, it should come from the government and not add further burden to the other local services.

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@ Chris Cheale

and maybe if our government stopped giving hundreds and undreds of millions of our taxes away in aid to foreign countries we wouldn't have to worry about your stupidity.

i in no way endorse our old Austrian friend's views, but the rest of us shouldn't have to suffer because of other peoples stupidity, no argument you can give will change my view on that.

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Re: height to weight ratio...

Use BMI. Anyone clinically obese pays more!

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Why stop at fat people?

So if you want to change fat people more for things like health services because it's their fault they're fat, why stop there?

If you broke an arm falling off a skateboard -- that's your fault, pay up.

If you broke a leg falling off a rock face -- that's your fault, pay up.

If you twisted an ankle running a marathon -- that's your fault, pay up.

If you catch a nasty disease backpacking in India -- that's your fault, pay up.

Who ends up costing the health service (i.e. all of us) more then -- fat people who don't do any of the above risky activities, or fit people who do?

The whole point of something like the NHS is that it doesn't (or at least shouldn't) discriminate or charge on the grounds of how/why you need it, you get the treatment whether the injury was your fault or not.

So all you thin active people out there (who I suspect are writing most of the diatribes against fat people) should think carefully -- you might find that charging people by "whether it's their fault" hits you even harder then them... :-)

Ian ( 5 foot 10 and 11 stone )

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The gist of this thread

So it's basically blame the weal for their weaknesses. Yeah, let's do that. Go the Spartan way : if you can't take of yourself, then jump off a cliff. And if you can't do that, we'll at least help you by throwing you off.

Surely, a society full of beautiful, fit people is worth some sacrifices, right ?

Well, right up to the point where it's you that's being sacrificed.

Anyway, the Spartans had it good, didn't they ?

I wonder why they're no longer around ?

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@Anonymous Coward

So you're 148kg and your missus is twice that?! Not sure you'd actually fit on a plane, let alone have to worry about paying more! ;-)

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@Adrian Taylor

>"substituted gays,black people,foreigners,jews etc for the word fatties"

Yes, but the hypothetical disabled jewish black homosexual frenchman can't change that by simply stopping being a big greedy fat pig.

>So why is it acceptable to attack people just because they are fat?

Because we have to pay for the fire brigade to take them in an ambulance to the hospital. Which, if they weren't fat they wouldn't need

1) The fire service

2) The ambulance and

3) The hospital.

(Although to be fair they might need the hospital anyway)

>I feel sorry for people trapped in their own homes by...

...the size of their doors?

As for the concentration camp idea, it's a good one, but it would take years for some of these people to starve to death and we'd have to let them out once they were normal weight.

>malice you harbour towards various minority groups

You're the one who thinks that gays, blacks, foreigners or jews are as bad as fat people! I harbour no malice to any of those groups... well... except the french.

@Anonymous Fatso

>It's your freedom of choice that made you cross out of the pedestrian

>lane. not mine I ran you over with my car.

It would've stopped quicker if you weren't so fat!

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Flat Rate Would Work

Fatties like "all you can eat" deals ;-)

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@Ned Fowden

"our services are already overburdened, the last thing we need is for each service to start charging each other.

why should any hospital have to pay, it should come from the government and not add further burden to the other local services."

I think that's a very fair point, but in this country it's all the same money really, because it's all tax one way or another.

The principle we are arguing about is whether we all chip in a little bit so the Fire Brigade can take an obese geezer to hospital, or whether we land said obese geezer with a bill.

Personally I think there are far too many Daily Mail readers spewing their own warped rhetoric on this topic. Now that all their favourite 'isms have been banned there are only a few safe targets left, so off they go on one.

I expect they're the same kind of people who come up to you at parties and say "I'm not racist but..." - and then say something quite racist.

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@Why stop at fat people

We do stop at fat people.

First of all, comparing obesity to accidents is idiotic: After all, skateboarder doesn't go out to hurt himself and backbacker doesn't go to India to catch a disease. In fact smart skateboarder wears pads and backpacker has shots, they avoid healt-risk at all cost.

Being fat is no accident.

What fatsoes should be compared with are other people who knowingly continue with activities that they know are harmfull to their health: People who smoke or excessive drinkers!

But hey! Drinkers and smokers pay special taxes for their activities! Pack-a-day smoker for 30 years has paid enough sales-taxes to foot the bill of his terminal-care in local hospital, so if he has choosen to kill himself by smoking, I really don't see how it is anybodys bussines, but his.

But what about the triple by-pass/diabates whale in next bed? He knowingly damaged his health, but left the bill to the society at large.

You want unfair? Why the smoker has to pay, but fatso doesn't? We do stop at fat people. For some reason they are only ones who aren't treated as responsible of their choises.

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well

Discuss -

your kid dies in a fire becouse the fire service is too busy moving a fatty on the other side of town.

Fatty should have to pay for a removal service to get its fat ass out of the house.

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We do stop at fat people....

...cos they're stuck in the door!

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Dangerous masturbation?

I think that hospitals ought to directly charge people who are bought in having had "suspicious injuries" involving vacuum cleaners, and inanimate objects stuck in strange orifices. Either that or take pictures and sell them to "You've Been Framed" for our amusement, and pump the money back into the NHS.

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Why should my taxes pay for this

Seriously, saying that the NHS will foot the bill for fat people is a further insult to the amount of tax I pay.

If they're fat, they should either buy their own crane for lifting their enormous bulk, or pay the fire service themselves rather than insisting that I do!

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Fat People are Human

So how is paying for fat people different than paying for people that smoke or drink or are drug addicts?

What about stupid people that climb mountans or have accidents racing horses or cars?

Arent they just as useless?

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Fat people arn't human - so says anon

they're bloats on humanity - at least people who smoke and drink both pay stupid amounts of tax into the nhs.

Also we arn't talking about the NHS footing the bill - but the fact that the fire service have to be diverted from their job to move a fat basterd.

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Re: Fat People are Human (But the fat isn't - that's just yellow goo)

>What about stupid people that climb mountans or have accidents racing

> horses or cars?

They're stupid though. Are you saying that fat people are stupid?

You can't persecute people for being stupid, they can't help that.

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Perfectly justified

Being a firefighter in Arizona, in the good ol USofA, i can say this is perfectly justified...

we have to move large patients on a regular basis, its difficult and dangerous. when ever people have to shift large amounts of weight there is a risk of back injury. not only that but calling out additional resources puts the community at undue risk while these resources are committed to moving this patient.

on top of the ambulance crew, we often have to call 2 engine companies to get enough manpower to move 500lb (220kg) or larger patients. that leaves a large area of city without fire coverage, because once committed the engine companies can not abandon the patient for another emergency call.

after 12 years in the fire service, i have seen the careers of 4 of my fellow firefighters come to early end due to back injuries from moving fat asses, i myself have suffered injury from it, not serious thank god, and i havent lost time at work from it, but i have been lucky.

that is all...

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