Snap!
That's the sound of a concept being stretched too far...
Terminator will be back in 2009
Shooting will begin in 2008 on Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins, which promises to "reinvent the cyborg saga with a storyline to be told over a three-pic span". Production company Halcyon is keen to stress that the movie will indeed be a "reinvention", as executive producer Moritz Borman told Variety: "The third film was …
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Failure from the start
You all remember the eyeball-raping you received from Terminator 3?
"Terminator 3 writers John Brancato and Michael Ferris have already completed the Terminator Salvation screenplay...". Never mind lightning, looks like a big fat corporate c*ck can strike twice, three times, maybe even four.
Your last effort maimed the horse; please don't flog it to death.
Oh no!
Why can't they stop when they make a good film (Terminator 2) they always have to go too far.
And where is the bloody Paris Hilton angle? :)
Your clothes
This is going to be so terrible. The second in the trilogy will go straight to DVD and the third might end up as an unsuccessful television pilot. It'll be sold as an edgy reinvention of the Terminator franchise, as if the original was not edgy enough.
"Charlie's Angels director McG is hotly tipped to take the helm."
I can picture the opening credits in my head. The music will pound and roar, the title will mesh together with a big clanking noise, the director credit will come up, and the audience will burst into laughter.
Arnie
He should appear as a guy caught by skynet and cloned for the first generation of terminators.
What is worse?
Rocky: The fight for Depends, or...
Terminator: The battle for WD-40?
What's next of washed up sequels?
Predator: Golf tournament...
Paris Hilton
The Paris Hilton angle is she will be the Sarah Conner type character, with Tinkerbelle as the killbot sniffing dog.
RE: Arnie
"He should appear as a guy caught by skynet and cloned for the first generation of terminators."
well, let's face it; he's far too fucked to actually play a Terminator anymore. it was questionable in the second one, laughable in the third.
What's next of washed up sequels?
The return of the sons of the Magnificent Seven ride again, The Sequel, meets Old Mother Riley, ll.
New tv series starting next January
All of this is on top of the new tv series 'The Sarah Connor Chronicles' which starts in the US next January. I downloaded the pilot and it looks ok.
Starting to know how Star Wars geeks feel...
If they wanted to do a[nother] post-apocalyptic, man vs machines movie, why bother with the Terminator franchise? If they'd come up with some generic rip-off storyline, at least I wouldn't feel like my childhood dreams are being horrifically raped. The camp Arnie in T3 was bad enough, I shudder to think what outrages are still to come.
Greed the sequel
... Just goes to show what happens when hollywedge folk get desperate for money, writers probably picked up the comic books one day and thought they could spin more money out of the franchise without doing any work. There's enough comic books in the series to hack together a storyline without actually thinking of anything, give me a day or so, I'm sure I could write a triliogy of Terminator films of the same quality.
Am I the only one?
Who thinks that a telling of the part of the Terminator story that happens in the future is a good idea....?
Just Like Star Wars
Terminator 4-6 will almost ineveitably turn into Star Wars 1-3. They should leave well alone.
I imagine it'll be a load of old toss, and I agree with Ashley Pomeroy above and the likely to be very accurate title sequence.
Say what?
Really? The Sarah Connor Chronicles? Really? Ugh...American TV makes me ashamed. Not as much as my President...but ashamed none the less.
No way
It is impossible that the T-fest be as sloppy and cuddly as SW 1-3 was. If this is supposed to told from the Terminator side, it could be refreshingly devoid of useless love subplots. Cold, calculating machine is what it should be. None of the "but OHDOIWQ6732fi3r was my CPU-mate ! And now she's deactivated ! I will BRK/WAIT(2000000000000000) in dispair !" nonsense.
We just might have a true action film, could even be as good as Die Hard 2 or 3. No mushy scenes in those films. And I could concievably win €100 million next week in the EuroLottery.
Yeah, it's possible. Just not something you want to bet your future on.
The Paris Hilton Angle?
Surely it's obvious? She will play the saviour of the human race after Skynet nearly wipes the humans out with a 10,000 strong platoon of PDA wielding SlingBots©, capable of throwing the latest in personal communications technology devices a distance of 17cB (or in prefered Vulture Central Standards, 3,927lg).
Question is...
Will the US military have successfully made skynet before the movie comes out, because if they do we won't be subjected to the torture of watching it this time, hurray!
@Martin Gibbs
No Martin, telling the future part of the Terminator saga is a wonderful idea. It's just that with the same writers as T3, its garaunteed to be f*cked into a cocked hat.
Sarah Conner Chronicles
Actually - as someone who has (legally) watched the pilot of Sarah Conner Chronicles, I think it could work.
It's pretty grim (including the bit that's now infamously been dropped from the pilot when the substitute teacher in school turns out to be a terminator) and gritty. Some tongue in cheek too though (thank the gods). Very cool time travel stuff from both sides - anyone can be prepared if they send agents back in time with enough years to build more time machines and resources.
Apparently they spent about $8m on the pilot - only a small jump more to having a film especially with the pace the pilot sets.
However the one sticking point is if they can keep up the plot quality. This could be the problem with the films too of course.
All a front
This is just a smokescreen isn't it. After all we already know that the machines are rising, what with the US building flying killbots, Samsung drones in the DMZ and giant 747-borne superlasers. Not to mention the hybrid army of cyborg parking wardens covered in cameras and sensors and their Taser-packing allies in the Police.
Far from being an action move, T4 will be a Michael Moore documentary about the shocking injustice suffered by the downtrodden automatons forced to war for the benefit of Boeing's shareholders. Not that anyone will watch it, of course, because we'll all be huddled up in deep caves where 3G signals don't penetrate.
@ Brent
>smacks himself on the forehead<
Didn't think of that Brent...
It would redeem it's self slightly, if The Paris angle was her being the first human ripped to shreds in the opening scene? Or if Arnie was to cameo as the human template for the Terminator and be a wimpy, blubbery, geek of a politician....
Nah.. getting to much into this now....
Where's my coat?
@Michael Sheils
Well be lucky if the US armed forces has found there arse with two hands a map and a GPS by then. Skynet is far to sain for there R&D.
It seems the only time they come up with anything half good is when a crazy plan accualy works (Like the Blackbird, or the Stealth Bomber)
How will this effect Global Warming?
Terminator 4-6 vs Star Wars 1-3
By Yousef SyedPosted Wednesday 10th October 2007 14:26 GMT Paris
Hilton will be the Jar-Jar Binks equivalent.
Sorry Yousef people were asking what she would do in the movie.
Possible storylines
As someone who got the comics 15 years ago, Terminator v Robocop was a plotline that interested me... but so did Aliens v Predator, and we know how that turned out :(
Oh and Arnie can't be cloned as a Terminator, because in the first movie Reese told Conner that the first series of Terminators had rubber skin and were easily spotted...
Oh God, I'll get my coat.
Yeah...
Hollywood does it again. And shoots itself in the foot by allowing the director of T3, the abomination, to direct the next 3.
Summer 2009. I can hardly wait.
Look familiar ?
http://www.wired.com/politics/security/multimedia/2007/10/gallery_uavs?slide=9&slideView=3
Could work
I think this has some promise, as long as the godawful McG isn't directing. The ending of T3 was the best part of the movie, the future war sequences have always been interesting so it'll be nice to see movies based on those. Arnie cameoing means they're not going to try putting him centre stage as a terminatior - I agree the best thing to get him there would be as a template for that model of terminator.
Of course, they could mess it up, big time. But, compared to the crop of big Hollywood fare recently, the concept alone is better than some entire movies.
I'm so optimistic
Let me guess: the plot revolves around John Conner negotiating trade relations between SkyNet and the humans.
@Look familiar?
It's already here... and has been for some time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skynet_%28satellites%29
geeks raped again
@ Misha:
now you also know how us Battlestar Galactica fans feel, about the new monkeypoo flingfest that the SciFi channed has grunted out.
Padding
At best it'll turn out like Matrix 2 & 3 - one movie painfully padded out to two in order to fleece us one more time.
Priorities
Hollywood priorities:
1) Will it make money.
2) Will the merchandising make money.
3) Will it stop people seeing other studios' movies.
4) Will it allow us to make more money out of re-issuing the old movies.
5) ...etc
...
197) Will it make the original fans happy.
198) Will it be any good.
P.S. The film plot will revolve around who has the intellectual property rights to the original Terminator films. John Connor will argue that humans made the films, whilst Skynet will argue that, as the sole providor of all media content, the original human makers have surrendered their rights (did no one read Skynet's small print?).
@Paul: I hate to be a pedant but...
"Skynet is far to sain for there R&D." argh, my eyes are bleeding... Skynet is far too sane for their R&D!
Tis a fair comment - but given the US history of shooting their own troops, why does it come as a surprise that an automated system for shooting their own troops might be in development?
@Misha Gale
" [ ... ] why bother with the Terminator franchise? If they'd come up with some generic rip-off storyline, at least I wouldn't feel like my childhood dreams are being horrifically raped. [ ... ] "
Waittaminnit! Most people's childhood dreams are of being an astronaut, popstar or footballer when they grow up, or of falling in love and getting married, or changing the world for the better. Your childhood dream was to hope that the entire human race would be slaughtered by artificially intelligent killing machines who travel back in time? You're weird!
But on the other hand, if you ever wrote it down, you've probably got a good copyright claim for back-royalties on the entire series. Hang on, maybe you aren't quite so crazy after all....!
Not so much bad movies as a marketing problem.
Hollywood is addicted to overselling. For them marketing is about raising expectations to an impossibly high level for a quick cash in.
People see a good movie, but because they lead to believe it was going to be one of the greatest movies ever, they leave profoundly disappointed.
The key to enjoying movies is not to buy into the hype.
Right now my expectations are for the new movies to provide nothing more than great action and greater special effects, but with a tired unoriginal plot.
I will probably leave the theater happy, while other people are complaining about how it wasn't as good as the first two.
Arnie taught me a lot...
for a start, I've learned that when Terminator models start getting past their prime and have to be replaced by newer models, they actually age like real humans as well - living skin outer camouflage begins to wrinkle and get pouchy, mechanical muscles turn to flab and internal components shift around...
If Skynet could get them to fart, belch and blob out on the couch stuffing their faces with junk food, watching pay-per-view and scratching their nuts we'd never suspect it was really a lethal killing machine.
Sheesh, we'd be fucked then.
Sigh
Battlestar Galactica - watched the pilot. 'Nuff said
Charlies Angels - rolls eyes
The Brady Bunch - refused to see
The Bionic Woman...without Steve Austin, the $6M Man? Are you kidding?
Predator went two movies too long (should have ended with the first)
Aliens should have stopped with the second
Terminator should have stopped with the second
Star Wars.... not going there.
Superman should have ended at #2
Batman should have ended at #3 (okay, I do like Robin, but...until Christian Bale...should not have been touched)
Where are the original ideas in Hollywood? Can we do nothing but retreads?
Erm
"Oh and Arnie can't be cloned as a Terminator, because in the first movie Reese told Conner that the first series of Terminators had rubber skin and were easily spotted..."
Must have super human intelligence in the future, personally when I see a 6 foot tall rubber trojan with a plasma rifle it its hands I invite him in for tea.
Someone has to say it
"I won't be back"
I've wanted to see a future battle, it's the obvious choice for the next film.
Saberhagen
The last of the 2nd of 3 (last of the 2nd trilogy of a Kachina of 3 trilogies) could be a rip of Saberhagen's _Brother Assasin_.
If we install enough machine bits in ourselves, and they install enough wetware bits in themselves, we converge on... being the same. Mudball's getting crowded, but I'll meet you there anyway.
Paris Hilton the heroine!
Ooh look! a liquid memory metal, vibrator with artificial inteligence. Wish I could have some.
Hmmm...
Predator: Golf tournament...
Didn't EA Games do that one a while back? One of there better ones for EA.
Cynar
The PHA ?
Surely the PHA is that she becomes the saviour of the human race by bravely giving her body up as a sperm bank to preserve a wide variety of human DNA ?
</hat-coat-exit>
A clone of a clone
A clone of a clone of a clone , how truly unoriginal can you get ?
Wow these Hollywood writers are truly scraping the bottom of the barrel for this insipid stupidity so I guess the combined IQ of these wankers would not even reach two digits!
@Luke Wells
> Why can't they stop when they make a good film (Terminator 2) they always
> have to go too far.
Because the test screeners hated the good ending (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminator_2#Versions_of_the_film, I recall hearing on a TV show that the good ending was ditched because of poor response from the test screeners).
Yes, It's Virginia's fault. Had they been happy with the good ending, there won't be any more Terminator movies after T2.
Nowt...
That'd be too edgy for EA - they only do franchises now. It'd have to be Predator: Golf tournament 4 before they'll even look at it.
Yet Again They Cannot Think Up Something New !
Why make a new Terminator ?
They wasted it when they made the third. The Original 2 Terminators kicked ass and as per usual sequals are wasted with little boys new in the film industry who have nothing better to do than rip the pish out of orginal and classic movies.
To hell with the new Terminator !
With regards,
S-MC
i have not seen the terminator tv series
but it has Summer Glau in it so I doubt I will be paying any attention to the plot!
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