And long overdue :-)
A politician in the US is protesting at frivolous law suits in the US courts by launching one himself in which he is suing God. The suit (pdf) seeks an injunction against God to stop him and his followers making terrorist threats. It has been filed in a Nebraska district court by Ernie Chambers, a Senator in the state Senate …
And long overdue :-)
Not the greatest film ever but still...
What a stupid country.
It should be interesting when they get to the cross examination.
He makes a good point and although I know I am dreaming here, I hope that some judge decides to take it seriously. It would be awesome to actually have this case go through the system.
"Next witness please."
"Defence calls Pope XVI."
Good work by the Senator. His suit also seems to highlight the absurd notion of a "god" (and believing in one) anyway.
However, as "god" (by any stretch of a sane and logic-based mind) does not exist, and it is (man-made) religions who perpetuate the myth of "god" and have caused so much damage to humanity and and the planet on which we live, perhaps the senator should have aimed his suit at the major religions?
So, assuming that the legal system in it's somewhat dubious wisdom, finds the defendant guilty as charged... what exactly are they going to do? God behind bars? Or maybe order Him to do a few hundred hours of community service?
Of course, seeing as He DID make the world in 7 days (that's 168 hours of hard graft), and presumably He has partaken in other miraculous actions over the last few millenia, I would guess He has already served his sentence...
Perhaps the prosecution could call His wayward brother to the stand, maybe Satan's perspective on things might address the balance...
They found that as there is no definate proof of a God's existence, it is not a substantial entity which can be declared as a defendant in a court case.
I find this is more of a Black Adder moment...
"Prosecution moves that as this is an obvious open-and-shut case, we bring a seperate case against the Defence council for wasting the court's time."
"Quite right, Darling, Defence council is hereby fined £50 for turning up!"
Chambers said he was so outraged at Bowen's frivolous law suit.
The man is an idiot, it's not unreasonable for Tory to be a little peeved that in a rape case she was barred (as the complainant) from using the words rape or sexual assault.
Her law suit seems quite reasonable, so all Chambers has done is made himself look like a tit.
...has to swear on the bible. Having sworn by almighty God to tell the truth, She can then go on to say what She bloody well likes.
I hate Alanis Morrisette.
Everyone is entitled to representation. How the f*** is God expected to find a lawyer in Heaven?
First he going to have to prove that God exists, and that's going to be impossible because everyone knows that there's no such thing as God.
Is this where someone is asked questions, or is it the study of a small fragment of wood purportedly used circa 1,970 years ago?
Presumably, anything less than an infinite amount in damages, paid for all eternity, will be unacceptable, also.
Stupid law suit as God doesn't exist. However organised religions do exist, and its about time they were targeted for spreading patent falsehoods, and encouraging division and violence through out their history up to an including the present day.
i'm sure even if this does make it to trial, the defendant will somehow miraculously escape prosecution. much like the mafia, i suspect He'll wait until everyone in congregated at the courthouse, which will then be destroyed by and Act of God
This is, of course, assuming it was God doing these things currently. The Devil can also do them.
You need to prove motive also.
Means and opportunity I guess are a given.
Why did the alliteration stop when he got to genocidal wars? I was enjoying it. Surely he could have continued it worrying, woeful or wobbly.
What a catastrophic cop-out.
.... isn't Steve Jobs getting enough attention .... oh sorry, you mean _that_ God ... it's so easy to confuse the two of them.
Since there has already been a film "The man who sued God", will he get counter sued by the makers of that film for infringement of copyright?
The Senator is twit and should be ousted. God will answer his suit and he may not like the answer. Perhaps to make it fair and balanced he needs to file suit against Satin too.
Do you people actually know what this Chambers man is doing? He is trying to make a name for himself, boasting upon himself, and questioning God. This is sin, and some of you are supporting him and saying that it would be "awsome" if the case actually went through. I urge those of you that are supporting Chambers to read the scripture and repent of your sins. Jesus is coming back soon. Chambers shouldn't be suing God, he should be suing the Devil, for he is the one that has created all of these evil acts of terrorism and national disasters.
In the love of Christ,
I think he won ?
"do you swear to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you, urrrr you?
Although that doesn't seem to stop some US courts...
Maybe I can sue the nonexistent man who gives everyone 55million for not giving me any money.
Hey, maybe I could sue fictional characters as well.
of Miracle on whatever street, obviously, that bit where 'Santa' gets off because America has 'In God we trust' on their dosh.
I say good for him, but it'll never fly, no matter the argument, you take on religion you're going to suffer.
If the court dismisses the case, on the grounds that god doesn't exist, would that give us ammunition to have the president commited to an asylum next time he claims that god told him to invade some country or other?
Too bad that this is what it takes to make a statement about our counties legal system. It's unfortunate and a waist of time, effort and money, there couldn't be another way to make a statement about what needs to be revised in our legal system? Something that would produce results not just internet chatter. I don't think the answer to frivilous lawsuits is to issue a frivilous law suit. Mabey this will spark logical action towards improving our legal system, or people will laugh at this and dismiss it. For change, we need a more practical course of action.
Who's going to be God's advocate?
Isn't the national motto of the USA "In God We Trust" ?
Surely God is explicitly trusted, then so are all acts carried out by said deity? If this case was to succeed, the motto may need changing.
I suggest "Doh!", or "Mmmmm, Doughnuts!".
And Lo! God employed a lawyer and defended him/her/itself:
Of course, many are of the opinion that God has already been put on trial and was crucified after being found guilty.
When damages are awarded, Gods earthly representatives would have to foot the bill:D
Does this mean people won't be able to say 'God is on my side', or 'God wants the slaying of the infidels'? A lot of wars some people want won't be 'Holy' wars any more....
How would that work?
Also, as God is omnipresent a custodial sentence would not be appropriate.
If found guilty He should be sentenced to Community Service to wipe out some of the evils which plague our planet.
Starting with James Blunt.....
Did he just heard about the Romanian convict who sued God, too? (I read that story yesterday - to be honest, it's much funnier than this loser.)
Hasn't this been tried already - wasn't George Burns found guilty or something ?
Of course, many people would say that this has already been done and that after standing trial, was found guilty was crucified.
Reminds me of an old joke..
An IT journalist dies and winds up in heaven.
St.Peter is giving him the new-arrivals' tour.
"Hang on,", says the journo, "is that Steve Jobs over there? When did he die?"
"Shhh.", says St. Peter, "That's God. He just likes to think he's Steve Jobs".
It should be interesting when they get to the *cross* examination. [emphasis mine]
Not sure you meant it the way I read it, but very clever ;)
He's a good guy, does a good job representing his constituents, and agree with him or not, you can never say that he doesn't make a person think. He's had a long, productive career thwacking beehives, metaphorically speaking.
The problem is, when a legislator and lawyer takes steps to address frivolous lawsuits, he may be viewed as the guy that will force lawyers to have to make a decent living. Pity, that.
Personally, I think that God would just laugh this one off -- but I'm not ready to face Him personally at the moment for a more direct inquiry.
I'm not at all sure this case will succeed, simply because Ernie Chambers has already publically professed to be an atheist; so, by his own admission, there is no respondent and therefore no case. To make it stand up will take some serious doublethink. (Of course, one could borrow from advanced mathematics where we often pretend on one side of an equation that some small quantity is zero and on the other side we pretend that it isn't zero ..... but I'm not at all sure that certain parts of the USA, i.e. those parts where people sincerely believe in the literal existence of god, don't regard anything other than finite, positive integers with deep suspicion.)
For what it's worth, I think the decision not to allow the use of the words "rape" or "victim" in the Bowen case was actually quite a sensible one, and entirely consistent with the quaint, old-fashioned principle that a defendant should be treated as innocent until proven guilty. Sexual offence trials (in the USA and the UK) are very one-sided affairs. A false accusation of rape does not damage the accused's life, and the lives of those around him, one iota less than an actual rape damages the victim's life and the lives of those around the victim. Yet a woman who maliciously and falsely accuses a man of rape generally gets off scot-free and can hide behind a cloak of anonymity; while he and his family are permanently blighted, having already been tried and condemned by the mainstream media. Alleged sexual offenders aren't so much "guilty until proven innocent", as "guilty even despite proven innocent".
So far there is only one other comment I saw posting on the actual nature of this case, so I'll join them.
This man is an idiot. From the article explanation, the "frivolous" lawsuit is the result of the judge in a sexual assault lawsuit barring the use of the words "rape" and "victim". That's a travesty of justice, and the judge should be disbarred for that. What's next? Bar the words "theft", "steal", "stole", and "victim" from a robbery trial? How about barring "murder" and "victim" from a murder trial? Perhaps that judge should be murdered, and then the police can refer to him as "the person on the receiving end of a non-state-sponsored death sentence".
As for anonymous "Please... in love of christ"... I respect your right to believe in your choice of religion. Please respect MY right to not believe in your choice of religion. Neither one of us knows the truth, since we are both lacking evidence (you lack the evidence of the existence of your god, and I cannot possibly prove the non-existence of something). But at least I'm intelligent enough to admit that I don't know the truth. That's the problem with religion -- stupid sheeple doing what they're told without questioning. I seem to recall a group out of Germany doing to same...
Most of the things Christians and Jews complain about Muslims believing are in Leviticus (a book within the Bible and Torah) as mandatory religious rules and requirements for followers of Jehovah/JHWF. You will not find a Bible or Torah without Leviticus in it.
It is amazing, how much of it makes mandatory xenophobia, racism, sexism, slavery, and genocide on a par with what Hitler failed to achieve, for true fundamentalist believers who take this supposedly divinely inspired book as the truth.
But the Bible and Torah are legal even in those countries (like Canada) that hold hate literature as illegal.
The Bible and Torah are legal simply because they were supposedly divinely inspired.
In its totality, these books are the most hate-filled hate-advocating document going, and charitable Christians and Jews need to give it a good cleaning-out.
They need to give it a good cleaning-out to distance their God from the nutty abuse by religious fundamentalists.
There will be some of Bible and Torah left after such a cleaning, and that part that is left could make a positive contribution to the world.
If the defense against Chamber's law suit is that there is no God, that requires an admission that the Bible and Torah (and all other religious books) are not divinely inspired.
With that admission, we (in Canada) could ban this Hate Literature until the xenophobic, racist and sexist hate is edited out.
The only shame is that the inspiration of this brilliant law suit was faulty and that it was brought as a joke.
How can anyone, let alone a state senator, joke about genocide and slavery?
Well, only sort of, but the headline IS irresistable.
"Jesus is coming back soon."
The only Jesus coming back soon is the illegal Mexican working at the farm next door here. He's out to buy diesel for the tractors but should be back later in the afternoon.
"But the Bible and Torah are legal even in those countries (like Canada) that hold hate literature as illegal."
Even if it is fiction!? ;-)
In Kenia a Christian congregation has started court action against the Roman Empire, because of a supposed mistrial in Jesus' case. According to them Jesus did not violate Roman, but Jewish law and therefore would have needed to be prosecuted under the latter. This means that Jesus should not have died on the cross, which was a punishment under Roman law, but through stoning.
As defendants are named Emperor Tiberius, as the state's highest representant of authority, Pontius Pilatus, Roman prefect of the province, the Jewish High Priest and Council of Elders, several Rabbis and of course Herodes, King of Judaea, Galilaea and Samaria.
As the above won't be available, the subpoenas have been served to the Italian and Israeli ambassadors in Kenia.
The article mentions that Ernie Chambers is in the state senate for Nebraska. This is technically incorrect since there is no state senate in Nebraska, there is only a state legislature. Nebraska is the only state left in the US with a unicameral, no house of representatives and senate, only a single legislature.
And yes, I am kinda embarassed to have this guy in my state legislature, thankfully, he doesn't represent the part of the state I live in
Despite all of the hoopla over God in government the United States' official motto is "E Pluribus Unum" or "One from Many".
The "In God We Trust" junk was added by religious zealots who felt insecure, and it got worse during the Communist scare of the 1950's.
BTW: the "One Nation <<Under God>> Indivisible" line in the Pledge of Allegience was not written with "Under God", that was added in the 1950's also.
DX in Philadelphia
.. wouldnt happen to be a lawyer as well would he ??
The american justice( sorry.. legal.. need to learn the strikethrough command ) system exists as a trough for an exclusive club to feed from, with scraps thrown to anyone else foolish or desperate enough toss anything in to it.
By bringing this case, senator whatsisname is consuming money that could be used for something of real value. Instead he is feeding lawyers.
hat - coat - door - stairway to heaven