Reader succumbs to apostrophe apoplexy
JP
Its a disgrace! Reg jounalists' unable to use apostrophe's! #
Posted Friday 27th July 2007 09:32 GMT
How can you POSSIBLY claim to have the publics' interest at heart when its' blatantly obvious you have no idea about the apostrophes use? Its a shame and disgrace! The only hope for El Reg is that it immediately sends it's entire workforce for grammar training, so this type of insult to humanities senses never happens again! And all those that fail should have to report to the boss'es office to explain themselfs!
COAT! TAXI!
Ishkandar
Eats, shoots and leaves...... #
Posted Friday 27th July 2007 09:39 GMT
Something's lost in translation...
Neil Hoskins
Quite right too. #
Posted Friday 27th July 2007 09:39 GMT
Not often I agree with a FotW. The person responsible for the original outrage should be taken out and summarily shot
Giles Guthrie
Not even a flame by your standards #
Posted Friday 27th July 2007 09:41 GMT
El Reg should look at its own guidelines: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/01/12/how_to_write_a_flame/
This alleged "flame" is in breach of most of them.
Dave
Greengrocer's are exempt #
Posted Friday 27th July 2007 09:53 GMT
Just get your qualification as a greengrocer and you too can use apostrophe's wherever you like without fear of retribution. All those lovely cabbage's and cucumber's.
Adrian Waterworth
Only slightly irritated by the apostrophe... #
Posted Friday 27th July 2007 10:37 GMT
...but horrified by the stuff from the Strategy Boutique guy. I fear that exorcism and deprogramming won't be enough. The merest hint of "cutting edge reader engagement solutions" or "turnkey solutions to their own unique value propositions" should be punishable by an immediate attempt to re-structure the space-time continuum such that the offender not only disappears from existence in the here and now, but ends up never having existed in the first place. And if such a cataclysmic event just happens to dispose of all the rest of the world's joss-sticks and whale-song brigade? Oh well...collateral damage, can't make an omelette, etc.
Let this one slip through the net and, before you know it, you'll be re-branding yourself as "Monday" or something...
Christoph Hechl
Ballistics #
Posted Friday 27th July 2007 10:37 GMT
So is this then what Terry Pratchett describes as a ballistic attitude towards interpunction?
Stu Reeves
Flame fun #
Posted Friday 27th July 2007 10:37 GMT
Shouldn't there be a comma between "yourself" and "yet"?
"... achieved something yourself yet you still haven't worked out how to use an apostrophe"
A J Stiles
Still not right #
Posted Friday 27th July 2007 10:37 GMT
"Google" is a collective noun, and so in some senses must be treated as though it were a plural.
The fragment in question should have read "..... Google seems intent on serving up tightly woven digital photos of just about everything. *THEIR* ImageAmerica purchase comes just a few days after ...."
Not "it's" (which is short for "it is"), not "its" (3rd person singular neuter possessive article), but 3rd person plural possessive article.
Ash
Mr Haines needs to check is PC Dictionary... #
Posted Friday 27th July 2007 10:37 GMT
I'm afraid that the word "brainstorm" has been banned from use, as it is an accurate description of what happens during an Epileptic Seizure and may cause offence.
The appropriate term is now "Thought Shower."
That'll be 20 Hail Mary's and 5 lashes with the Cat O' Nine Tails.
Dax Farrer
Umlat #
Posted Friday 27th July 2007 10:37 GMT
Surely unless a umlat is involved its just not grammar.
Nano nano
Standards #
Posted Friday 27th July 2007 10:44 GMT
Just as long as he knows the differences between "lose" / "loose", and "everyday" / "every day" ... to which I should add "setup" (noun) and "set up" (verb).
John PM Chappell
Collective noun? My arse! But.. #
Posted Friday 27th July 2007 10:58 GMT
If it were, it would have to read "Google seem.." no, 's' since it would take the plural form of the verb. However, it is an object (either a tool or a company) and thus assuredly singular.
Graham Bartlett
@AJS: No it isn't! #
Posted Friday 27th July 2007 11:09 GMT
(to quote Blackadder II)
Actually Google is a company. Singular. For example, "Enron *was* the scene of major fraud", but "Enron's directors *were* fraudsters". Although the plural is often used because the company comprises multiple people, technically it's incorrect because the company is a separate entity in its own right, not just a collective noun for the people in it. Sorry.
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Tim Croydon
It is, it has or it hasn't got one #
Posted Friday 27th July 2007 11:58 GMT
That's what my Mum always said.
(And I agree that company names are singular.)
Anonymous Coward
Couldn't resist... #
Posted Friday 27th July 2007 12:00 GMT
Google is the name given to an aggregate object. It is a reference to that object, so, surely...
$Google seems intent...
IGMC
Matthew
Belonging to...? #
Posted Friday 27th July 2007 12:38 GMT
I remember being taught that "it's" could legitimately mean "It is" or, by context, "belonging to it".
Surely the latter is a legitimate use of an apostrophe in this case? I'm never sure and usually omit the apostrophe because it 'looks wrong'. Perhaps one of the grammar experts could confirm this?
Colin Jackson
!!!!!!!arrrrrgh #
Posted Friday 27th July 2007 12:52 GMT
teh stoopid it burnzzzzzz!!!!!!!
!
Adrian Waterworth
@Matthew: "its" vs. "it's" #
Posted Friday 27th July 2007 13:26 GMT
The proper possessive form of "its" doesn't have an apostrophe. Although I suppose "it's" could potentially serve as an abbreviation for "it has" in some contexts (so I suppose you could say there's a kind of possessive sense in that usage). However, it's much more common for "it's" to be an abbreviation of "it is" (see this sentence for example).
Hence, when referring to the testicles of a dog you would rightly say "its cobblers", but when referring to an episode of, say, Eastenders or Lost you would rightly say "it's cobblers".
(Yes, there's probably some other grammatical or typographical error in the above that I haven't spotted. Feel free to draw attention to it if you must.)
David Wilson Clarke
Title #
Posted Friday 27th July 2007 13:27 GMT
From Wikipedia, so decide for yourself if it's true or not:
"No apostrophe is used in the following possessive pronouns and adjectives: yours, his, hers, ours, its, theirs, and whose. (Many people wrongly use it's for the possessive of it; but authorities are unanimous that it's can only properly be a contraction of it is or it has.)"
John PM Chappell
And don't get me started on... #
Posted Friday 27th July 2007 13:49 GMT
..people who think "who's" is the correct possesive of who/whom. Grrrr. ;¬)
Steven Hunter
"Bob's Quick Guide to the Apostrophe, You Idiots" #
Posted Friday 27th July 2007 14:07 GMT
See also: http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif
Oliverh
Google #
Posted Friday 27th July 2007 15:08 GMT
Is not a Collective noun! Its a proper noun! tHe name of a Busi-Ness! Same as its;s' not a verb either?! You technically can't "google" anything, although i give it a few year's before it`s in the O~E¬D!
Richard
Glibness v sophistry #
Posted Friday 27th July 2007 15:08 GMT
Sophistry and glibness are synonymous. The original use of "sophisticated" was pejorative; sophists were silver-tongued liars, rhetoricians etc. The change in meaning might be considered an early harbinger of celebrity culture and pleb-dazzle. Maybe.
RW
Auto da fe, anyone? #
Posted Friday 27th July 2007 16:23 GMT
> When shown the instruments of torture, he further confessed...
But did he recant and abjure as well?
At this rate, we can expect orthodox El Reg staffers to be marching around in the Ku Klux Klan-like robes of el penitentes while the flames crackle around the condemned punctuation-challenged.
My only question: who or what plays the role of the "secular arm" to which condemned heretics are handed over for their just punishment and the salvation of their immortal souls?
RW
Google: singular or plural? #
Posted Friday 27th July 2007 16:23 GMT
The issue is really just one of the well-known differences between British idiom and American. The Brits often treat collective nouns as plural: "The Beeb have announced..." whereas the Yanks generally treat them in the singular: "The Beeb has announced..."
Neither is wrong; it's merely a difference in emphasis, just as some languages deeply embed in their grammar the perceived reliability of a statement.
Nick
This grammer sh*t... #
Posted Friday 27th July 2007 18:42 GMT
is overly puntilious and renders me commatose.
Over 100 F--no coat necessary.
Anonymous Coward
Bloody good thing #
Posted Friday 27th July 2007 19:19 GMT
we didn't tell him about the semi-colon.
Andy
Be very careful.... #
Posted Friday 27th July 2007 20:16 GMT
...when you lets your writers do pieces on other peoples' mistakes (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/07/26/symbian_symbain/). It means you're kinda asking to be called on any little slips that occur over here!
Andrew Kirch
"Compleat" is still misspelled on all links to BOFH 94-99 #
Posted Friday 27th July 2007 20:16 GMT
I mean, seriously, readers, relax, enjoy, The, Register, or, STFU. (Should I have comma's between those too? YOU DECIDE!) I want news, and humor from this site, and I therefore neither expect, nor demand the same careful attention to spelling and punctuation that I would from say the Wall Street Journal (odd that I don't read that rag, and do read this one... ooh well)
Karl Anderson
Immortal words #
Posted Friday 27th July 2007 21:05 GMT
JP is right to be outraged. The great 20th century American philosopher Frank Zappa had the last word:
"The crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe!"
Lest we forget.
Morely Dotes
Tits or Tit's? #
Posted Friday 27th July 2007 21:52 GMT
This hardly qualifies for FOTW.
Twats, criticizing a minor punctuation mishap. Now, let one of the El Reg hacks confuse "losers" with "loosers" and I'll show you some flames!
matt
Real grammar police. #
Posted Saturday 28th July 2007 16:08 GMT
In some parts of Canada, the possesive usage of apostrophes is banned on signage.
So, for example, Ben's Restaurant must be called Bens Restaurant.
It has something to with anglophopia among the French community.
Rhys
@ andrew #
Posted Sunday 29th July 2007 09:45 GMT
" "Compleat" is still misspelled on all links to BOFH 94-99 "
Compleat is used a fair bit amoungst the literati, Check out Thewells "The Compleat Angler"
The meaning is more along the lines of comprehensive than complete, just one of those subtle distinctions the english language abounds with.
El Regular
Mi BRAYYNE! #
Posted Sunday 29th July 2007 16:55 GMT
Uniformity of language only serves the ease with which it is read. Thus, I want more challenge! expand my braynePowr!
Mark David Johansen D.D., PhD.
Adobe error meesage #
Posted Monday 30th July 2007 05:56 GMT
It's only one line but full of errory goodness from an Adobe Reader 8 fubar:
"Fatal Error
Acrobat fail to load it's Core DLL
[OK]"
Oliverh
Google: singular or plural? #
Posted Monday 30th July 2007 10:46 GMT
"By RW
Posted Friday 27th July 2007 15:58 GMT
The issue is really just one of the well-known differences between British idiom and American. The Brits often treat collective nouns as plural: "The Beeb have announced..." whereas the Yanks generally treat them in the singular: "The Beeb has announced..."
Neither is wrong; it's merely a difference in emphasis, just as some languages deeply embed in their grammar the perceived reliability of a statement."
I don't care if it's singular or plural. It is still not a collective noun! A collective noun is a word that describes a group or collection of other "nouns"! A PRIDE of Lions, a MURDER of crows.
There is no such thing as a GOOGLE of servers!
Google is a name, with a capital letter and everything! Therefore a proper noun! There's a simple test! You can't use it in Scrabble!
matt
Correction #
Posted Monday 6th August 2007 01:18 GMT
Haven't you heard of a 'google of geese'?
Anonymous Coward
Google? #
Posted Wednesday 8th August 2007 11:51 GMT
"Haven't you heard of a 'google of geese'?"
No, but I've heard of a gaggle of geese..
uffe
The friendly guide #
Posted Friday 10th August 2007 02:59 GMT
Bob the angry flower has it down to an art...
http://www.angryflower.com/aposter.html