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The genius of Apple's strategy for its iPhone is to make a defensive move look like an offensive one. It's a prudent safety measure - like adding a safety bolt to the back door. Only, thanks to an American press corps that longs for escapism, it looks like a Blitzkreig. Imagine if Apple hadn't created this newest addition to …

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Oh Dear...

Personally i think that's a pretty fair opinion piece.

Let the outpouring of grief, hatred, denial and vitriol commence!

/Battens down hatches

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And the point of this article?

Seriously, what's the point? Apple now sells a phone that seems to be much less of a PITA than all the established makers could offer after countless generations of everchanging buggy interfaces and shoddy button layouts, and Apple is brilliant at marketing their stuff. Duh, surprise. It's still a phone in the end of the day, and it's not for everyone. Duh, surprise. Would you please try and write on something relevant?

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Oh dear god..

Some you guys that write for the Reg are simply gluttons for punishment. Or perhaps you're fiendishly sadistic, I can't decide which.

Who will take a "but Windows" bet? I bet that more fanboyz bring up irrelevant Windows blather than simply calling the author a jerk for having the temerity to criticise an Apple product.

Yes I know it was constructive criticism, but that has no bearing on the fact Windows has malware.

My Jobs, he even had the gall to suggest another product can do some of the things the iPhone does more efficiently. When making statements like that, how can you not mitigate the iPhone's failings by pointing out Windows crashes on a regular basis? And of course by 'failings' we mean things that only idiots would want their phones to do.

So next time you feel like being critical of an Apple product, make sure you've properly considered just not doing things you can't get to work on the iPhone. Until you've explored all the possibilities, such as using a Mac instead of a Windows box, you're just being stupid. Next you'll be asking to carry a spare battery instead of tying your phone to an electrical outlet or leaving it at home to charge. What fool wants to do something like use their phone to make more calls than Apple thinks is necessary?

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Sour grapes and poor examples

As evidence of your biased claims against the iPhone you seriously linked to a blog where the author HAS NOT USED AN IPHONE, yet feels free to compare it to the Treo he owns?

Talk about reality distortion field.

This is release 1.0 of the iPhone. The fastest selling phone in history.

Deal with your envy.

As to the network operators...in the USA they definately need to be brought to heel as Apple has done. They constantly hamstring phone features (Verizon and the V710 anyone?) in order to force their customers down their monitization guantlet of greed.

Generation 1 of the iPhone is not the be all end all feature wise.

But look at what Apple had to deal with in terms of network carriers here!

The networks are 3g everywhere in the US as they are in Europe or Asia. And the US featuresets are more limited here as well. Things like LBS are still pretty much a joke among the carriers and expensive to boot.

And yet...how many iPhones did Apple sell in those first 3 days?

Sounds like sour grapes on your part.

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In...

... before a swarm of Apple Fanboi's!

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some balance to the iphone debacle

I think that this piece was a good overview of the phone market as for a mobile phone has to be simple to use and has to function well at voice and sms, something which the iphone seems to struggle with compared to some nokia phones.

well i'm not too fussed about the web on a phone only use it occasionally, and have an mp3 player for music, but i think on a phone it has this function it has to be easy to use and this is where the iphone is good but i don't by mobiles for music capability over the basics. the basics and the price have to right.

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Shame on you, Andrew!

While your remark, "The Mac UI appeared at a time of character mode interfaces where even getting the simplest job done required considerable investment and study. Computers at the time had several problems with accessibility, interoperability, and general ease-of-use - not to mention getting any kind of print-quality graphics work done - and the Mac provided an elegant interface to them all," is technically true, the *only* thing that established the Mac in business was hype - and pre-existing familiarity with the Apple brand. The Atari ST and Commodore Amiga both offered a vastly-superior UI to the IBM PC (and Atari's was even based on the same Graphics Environment Manager which underlay Apple's Mac UI), but neither of them had the brand recognition of Apple - which was brought about by Apple donating hundreds of thousands of Apple II PCs to schools - nor the budget for a media blitz.

I'm no Apple fanboi - I wouldn't have an iPhone if it were given to me gratis - but one thing Jobs does very well is hype. And, after all, the brainless yuppies need their bling; the iPhone meets that need very well, as the most expensive iPod available.

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Excellent article

NFT.

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Dan

meh

Article makes a few fair points and i was thinking much the same thing as to how the touchscreen would make things harder anyway. I spose this goes some way to explaining why people would buy one, which i won't.

It does look shiny though... maybe all the people who buy apple products have ADD or something, now that would explain it all!

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So...

... on the one hand, the iPhone is "an answer to a problem that doesn't really exist".

On the other hand, other phones are "overly crufty and complicated".

You've defeated your own point.

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Tim

Actually, ryan didn't write the PIC article

It was me, Tim C. Ryan's my boss. But thanks for the mention anyway, Andrew. ;)

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Anonymous Coward

Frrom slashdot post

Does this mean I should end my genetic experiment to cross-pollinate a Mac user with a Scientologist to produce the world's most pompous asshole?

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how i laugh

This article sounds like it's comming from someone trying hard to shake the embarresment of shitcanning the iphone before it was released.... Now, trying desperately to regain some credibility.

It takes a fairly strong "reality distortion field" to get *tech savy* people to drop that much $$$ on a new phone... on a network with such a bad rep... etc etc. I have read review after review, where people rave about the iphone, not based on hype, but practicle experience.

Your "analysis" of the interface is so laughable. Please, Windows mobile prepared the market beautifully for the iphone, lowering everyones expectations. Finally a decent interface comes along and BOOM, look at the pent up demand for something that works 'nicely'.

That "illusion of unquenchable demand" by the way, turned out to be the reality of the phone market.

Sure, as it currently stands local knowledge often wins when it comes to bars etc... but clearly the device has more potential than that... ever heard of Digg.com or delicious?? social nets are growing and a device like this is perfectly placed to extend that growth to the "local knowledge" you are so fond of.

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Old phones still have good design

I still have my phone from 1999. Why? It still works, no worries. No, it doesn't do anything fancy. But it still works, no worries. It still does that top-three killer app: voice. I don't need something "better," and certainly I don't feel a need to be blessed by either Gates or Jobs.

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Anonymous Coward

What the Apple fans fail to realize...

Is that my BACKUP PHONE (the one I have sitting on the side in case I drop my primary phone in the toilet) which comes with such features as "A screen" and "Sticky stuff on the buttons." features better voice quality and easier SMS. It's a crap CDMA Nokia candybar from the late 90's. My primary phone, a crap Samsung CDMA flipphone (A870 if you're familiar) beats the living piss out of the iPhone in both those areas.

And I *HAVE* used an iPhone. For whatever reason, we have a budget in IT earmarked towards buying Apple kit. We service... Uh, 2 macs. Period. So we bought an iPhone with it. It broke on day 3.

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re: from slashdot post

"Does this mean I should end my genetic experiment to cross-pollinate a Mac user with a Scientologist to produce the world's most pompous asshole?"

this is called incest/inbreeding, and is illegal in most countries.

;)

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So what?

Of course, like most electronic gadgets the iPhone fill a need that doesn't exist. Why is that a surprise?

It was the media who generated all the hype of the iPhone, all be it with a little push from Apple. If you look at the media spend by Apple it is very little compared to the coverage the media chose to devote to it.It seems that now the media is fighting the monster it created and now some seem amazed that people actually listened and want to buy it.

A much more interesting article about the iPhone would have been how Apple managed to sucker the media into such a frenzy!

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things to consider

regardless of the fact that the iPhone is the fastest selling phone in AT&Ts history -as you point out it might all be that hype that only the media can whip up, same hype that has been selling the iPod for the last 6 years which doesn't show any signs of slowing down....

ok let's start this over.

consider the facts:

- The Apple design department is arguably the best in the world, in any industry.

- Phones are status symbols so looks are extremely important

Those two facts would tell you that Apple is in the mobile phone market to stay. To rule.

then there are other facts:

- Apple has a real operating system which beats the pants off of symbian or win mobile, which can do things the others can only dream about

- Apple has the imagination to invent new things that people actually want

- Apple has proven that they can make a working phone. Entering a new market is a huge risk and a huge effort, but it's already behind them. They will only get better after that.

Yes, the other manufacturers are running around like headless chickens. Because they should. But I believe they have the problem that they have nothing to compete with OS X. Symbian just doesn't cut it - they will have to develop something entirely new, either improve Symbian like crazy, or get Microsoft to make a Vista Mobile edition (thereby selling their soul to MS).

Frankly, given the ineptitude these companies have handled software in the past, I think their best bet is a radical improvement of Windows mobile - and you know you are in trouble if Microsoft is your last hope.

I see only one flaw in Apple's mobile business - being too greedy and wanting a cut of the operator's income. It worked with AT&T but that's because AT&T really needs the iPhone, it won't work with (many) others, and it has the potential to severely hamper Apple. If I had to bet, I'd say Apple will adapt and get over this though.

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Anonymous Coward

El Reg strikes again

A typical El REg Apple product analysis by all accounts:

It looks shiny and pretty - must be for wankers, how dare they not make it look like it just came out of a dogs ass

It has internet access - mobile internet access? who would use that anyway, there's no need for it unless your socially handicapped..

it provides access to maps - Maps?? What's wrong with you, can't you ask someone for directions? Strangers are friends you just haven't met yet, silly!

The iPhone has its problems and for some people is just plainly the wrong choice of handset, but for gods sake register; get over yourself.

All the Apple bashing in the world won't do anything except to discredit articles in which The Register might need to highlight something geniunely negative about Apple. You know, basically operate like The Reg does with any other company.

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Kev

sales

how many of the ifone sales were actually to journalists of technical news sites?

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I actually own one.

Well, I'm sorry but I have to disagree with this article. Since I actually own an iPhone, it will be MY opinion that we'll be listening to right now.

I heard a rumor last year that Apple was coming out with a cell phone and it would be released on the Cingular network. I've tried Sprint and Verizon and HATED both of them. The only thing worse than the cell service was the customer service! Since my crappy Verizon Motorola phone was nothing to smile about I left Verizon for Cingular and bought an unbranded Sony Ericsson w810i for a little over $400 (they were asking $600 for it at the Sony store and Cingular didn't carry the phone at the time). By the way, Cingular (now AT&T) had been absolutely wonderful. They are the nicest, most polite people to deal with, it's really kind of strange. I also have dropped a call yet and it's been 11 1/2 months and I've traveled quite a bit with the phone.

The w810i is a decent phone. It has good battery life and some decent features but the software interface is a piece of crap (and the music app couldn't possible suck more)! There are just too many problem to get into here but a simple example would be...

You can add Java apps to the phone. Very nice. The built in web browser sucks to high heaven so I downloaded Opera Mini. Works nicely, unfortunately, it takes about 13 steps to launch the Opera Mini web browser (WAY to many IMHO). Well you can program you own shortcuts on the phones various buttons but unfortunately Sony Ericsson only lets you create shortcuts to the main menu level, which doesn't save you ANY steps (you can press the center button for quick access to the main menu so why would I need to make another button that takes me to the same spot).

I could go on and on all day with things I hate about my expensive Sony Ericsson phone (it does take nice photos in good light though), but the only thing I have found that I DO NOT like about the iPhone is the lack of A2DP Bluetooth. Everything else about it is almost like a dream come true. It is magical to use it's so simple. I use Google Maps all the time, and I can't tell you how nice it is to have a real web browser that syncs bookmarks with my desktop machine.

It's just a fantastic phone. I love it! No 3G? Who cares? There isn't any 3G network where I live anyway and it would just suck my battery down.

So before you go spouting your mouth off about a phone you've probably never seen or held, maybe you should actually spend some time with one. They aren't the end-all, be-all of cell phones, but they are a wonderfully designed and executed product that fits the niche it was designed for perfectly.

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Re: how i laugh

Now as you know, I'm a calm, reasoned chappy who doesn't throw himself into debates like this.... But I had to respond to Andy's post:

"Your "analysis" of the interface is so laughable. Please, Windows mobile prepared the market beautifully for the iphone, lowering everyones expectations. Finally a decent interface comes along and BOOM, look at the pent up demand for something that works 'nicely'."

Hold the phone (ba-dum tish!). Are you saying the WinMobile interface is crap? Before you answer that, let me remind you that the "Start Menu" interface came in with Win95 and was so hilariously successful that not only is it still in use, but a very popular Linux desktop system is based on it. And when they developed a mobile device, they used this same familiar, useful interface (which works), and that's crap? Does it need to be shiny, or is useful enough?

Don't get me wrong - I am not a fan of Microsoft by any means. But the start menu system works. The WInMobile interface works. I click a button and file explorer opens, I browse to a file, I tap it, it opens. No, it's not exciting or flashy, but it does its job remarkably well.

On the iPhone, I click a category, the menu morphs into something else, I click a file, the menu flips over, fades in and out, performs a line dance, gives a lecture on male llama post-coital rituals, then tells me it doesn't support the requested file format.

Function over form, not the other way around. I've said it a million times - my WinMobile device does everything the iPhone does, plus more, does it well, and costs less. I've found too many times that flashy interfaces equal a lack of functionality or end up slowing you down and becoming irritating. I don't want Vista on my mobile any more than I want it on my desktop, and the same goes for Apple.

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The power of hype

Being the happy owner of an Atari ST, I really appreciated Morely Dotes comments. The Atari ST at the time was not only technically superior in every way, but so much cheaper! That really shows the power of hype and marketing.

Now it's happening all over again: a technically obsolete phone (I mean EDGE and a 2.0MP camera, you gotta be kidding!!!) selling at an outrageous price is beating down the competition.

I'm getting increasingly tired of those fashion victims driving the market. Eventually, companies willing to sell technically advanced products at a fair price will give up and invest all their resources in marketing rather than R&D.

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are you ALL mad ?

ok, it's good to see an fair opinion, but have you people yet realised that this phone CANNOT have the same impact on the mobile phone market that iPod did with mp3 players.

the simple undeniable fact is that it is a smart phone, tell me, what is the biggest selling phones in the market today, with almot 99% of the market it is your bog standard simple text, camera & sms phone. nothing flashy, they don't have anything beyond a simple UI (i mean why even start a windows vs mac argument there, geez).

Smart phones do not have any impact upon the mobile phone market whatsoever, so unless apple do plan to stick a cell pack into an ipod mini then all this worthless banter is just that, worthless.

you cannot talk about how much impact this phone is having when you look at the market itself, the overall impact is as neglible as a gnats wing compared to an eagles

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Rob
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Good article

Nice to see you have focused on the market a bit more in this article.

Shame you mentioned the iPhone, I think with a bit of thinking you could have used another example just to avoid the distress you have caused to the Apple fanbase.

@Greg - I completely agree, someone that speaks the langauge of reality.

" I don't want Vista on my mobile any more than I want it on my desktop, and the same goes for Apple." the comment that I would consider ends all arguements.

OS's are now like politicians, there all wankers and just as bad as each other.

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Yeah

@Andy Bright : Stupid users install stupid programs hence your winbox crashes, try removing your porn dialers.

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I'm getting one.

If it's 3G in Europe I'm getting an iphone, even if that makes me a "pompous asshole". I've played with one and it suits my needs better than my current phone.

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Anonymous Coward

Urgh

An Apple Bashing A Day Makes El Reg Happy In the Pants?

This feels like tall poppy syndrome or something going as a result of the level of hype currently surrounding Apple's products.

Not that they don't deserve to be criticised as they do praised, but this is starting to come across as 'Fair and Balanced' as Fox News...

*Awaits the childish fanboi Wintel drones going OMG How Can You Not Put Apple Down They Suck!!!*

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WTF

WTF , who gives a Rats A!

But as with all Apple fan boys they are blinded by the same company that ripped off "The Beatles" logo , and they don't invent things and repackage other peoples idea's and concepts as their own!

Choices! , more is a pity they didn't go down with the " HMHS Britannic" , what price blind stupidity indeed?

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Re: WTF

Err, what makes someone an Apple fan boy? Is owning an ipod and liking it enough? And what makes someone a fanatic? Is insulting someone who doesn't have the same fanatical opinions as you enough?

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Shock Horror

Another attempt by the Reg to drive traffic to its site by writing some poor and uninsightful commentary about a certain iPhone.

The fanboys go flamin wild, as the reg chuckles to itself 'we can claim this as part of our readership'.

I've dealt with the reg before, you take a view and stick to it dogmatically, facts tend to be irrelevant.

Basically, you've got a successful product on your hands, that is a triumph of design and usability for services that have been around for ages.

The device is good for the industry as well as the consumer, as handset manufacturers realise they can't get away with being fastest to market with hardware with zero user experience capabilities on software.

Now move on.

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What a tosser..

"Analysts have been warning Apple for years that the iPod risked going the way of the starting handle after the invention of automatic ignition."

So when exactly was "Automatic Ignition" invented? I can't say I've ever heard of it..

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Greg is a fighter pilot!

He must be, he can work WinMobile, differentiating microscopic icons that all look alike and selecting them with eagle's precision... seriously, WinMobile was made so people slavishly adapted to the Win desktop metaphor catastrophy would find it familiar. I've seen it. It is far from being intuitive or even adequate in a portable, pen operated device. Noticing that I am here talking about a person who is fascinated by the messy bloat that is the START menu for the sole reason that it "works", apparently high praise in the Win arena, I can pretty much understand his point though. In the real world, one should apply high praise to MS for being able to get even a single WinMobile device into customers hands, as one had not expected people to have as little self respect as it takes to endure Windows on their phone as well.

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Kia vs Mercedes

If we apply the principles laid out in the article, then all premium brands would simply shut down.

A Kia does exactly the same job as a Mercedes S500

In fact, taken to the extreme, the argument ends up in a place called Communism. A leap, I know, to say that people who don't buy Apple products are all communists (and I'm not actually saying it).

but squint with your eyes, and let your mind run free (a tricky concept for Windows users, I know) and you'll see the argument.

now excuse my while I go off to blather and dribble saliva down my shirt front in a dark corner somewhere

;-)

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*yawn*

Yet another iPhone article.

And where's the meat? Where's the backing of the piece?

"When 'God Machines' go back to their maker'

Does this mean that shocking statistics have been released for iPhone returns?

No?

Blah.

I'm not interested.

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Who cares?

Really ... who give's a toss?

It's a phone .... that's all.

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El Reg Web Page Template

iPhone [sucks|rules]

Blah blah Apple blah blah media hype blah blah blah Steve Jobs is [God|Satan] blah blah touch-screen interface blah blah Nokia blah blah blah repeat for several more paragraphs. Paris Hilton blah blah blah blah sex with a goat.

Comments:

I carnally love Apple and all you Windows users are lamerzzzz

iPhone sucks ass and so do all the fanbois

Repeat several times daily until some new news comes along.

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Apple Fanboy here!

When the iPhone arrives in the UK, I WILL GET ONE if ...

It's not too expensive

It gives me unlimited internet access (as in US)

It's G3

It uses an operator I trust and which has

a reasonable customer 'service' (remember that concept?)

and

It doesn't tie me in to a contract for too long.

Why?

Because it's wizzy* of course and it will really piss off the anti-Apple trolls.

* Wizzy - a technical term used by Apple Fanboys to confound non-Apple users (who are, let's face it, easily confounded and confused)!

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jai
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But now that these machines are beginning to shuffle back to their maker?

the article seems to suggest that a large proportion of the hundreds of thousands of iPhones that were sold are being returned - but the proof offered is another poorly written ElReg article that was also trying to be sensational that describes how one of the Reg's own writers and they tech guy weren't impressed with it (hardly unbiased journalism) and the vauge comment from an Apple store employee that "several" other people had returned their iPhones.

so that's maybe, what, 10 that have been returned?

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Oh Dear

"that these machines are beginning to shuffle back to their maker (returning the product within 14 days of purchase may cost you $111.87- but saves you over $2,000 in operator fees) - it's time to ask some serious questions."

You're referencing another Reg article as your evidence? Bloody hell, Andrew, don't you disappear up your own fundament over the iPhone too - we've already seen half of the Reg staffers succumb.

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Apple got something right...

I'm willing to put money on a very large percentage of the iPhone returns being from people planning to resell them on eBay to make money who didn't have the money to spend in the first place, and gambled on the iPhone to make a quick buck. Unfortunately for them, Apple had enough inventory - it's like the PS3 launch, where Sony had initial launch sales greater than Wii and Xbox 360 purely because they had brought in enough units to sell (even then, some areas of the press called it a flop because they hadn't sold out!).

As for the remarks about the ST and Amiga being credible alternatives; the Amiga wasn't really on the ball until 1987 - three years after Macintosh - and the ST was utterly laughable to work with. Some ST DTP packages were alright if you wanted to persevere, but trust me - our firm was at the forefront of that technology, the first "small" publisher in the UK using DTP (Today Newspapers was the first large one) - and I had an ST as well partly, I suspect, out of curiosity to see how it compared.

Apple's iPhone will offer improvements, but it also doesn't deliver the promises it claims - HTC's hardware combined with T-Mobile's "Web 'n' Walk" plans have been giving EU (and I believe US) users "The Internet in your pocket" or whever for a long time; the HTC Athena/Ameo offers similar storage, 3G connection, GPS, WiFi etc, and costs only about twice as much as the iPhone off contract (iPhones are not subsidised - you own the phone when you buy it).

If you want an iPhone without AT&T's TCO burden, then cancel the AT&T contract within 14 days, as I believe I read here as well as in various other places. It's yours, not the networks, so resell it, stick a Prepay AT&T SIM in it and pop it on eBay for a sensible amount or use it without the contract costs.

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Magical Mystery Turing...... for Parallel Processing of Information...

...42 Create Super Ego/Alter Ego IntelAIgents.

heystoopid,

Some would tell you that everything has already been invented and it is just a case of finding it/reinventing it again .... God is a concept and all that stuff. Apple Beatles Territory to a T.

Now if Apple were to plug their iPhone into a Dedicated Ethereal Network as a Very Important Personal Communicator, the Facility would allow an Intelligently Designed Network to tailor Intelligent Feeds/Business Intelligence to ITs Needs with Others having to compete with other Intelligent Feeds or plug into the Virtual Apple Machinery Protocol for Beta IntelAIgents....... creating a whole new Genre of CyberIntelAIgents in an Alternate Reality Game being Played for Real, Virtually.

It is not a difficult thing to do if you are well versed in the Simple Complexities of AIResearch and dDevelopment for Global Operating Devices.

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Morely

Atari's user interface is NOT "based on" anything to do with Apple. It's got a passing similarity, but Apple did not use Graphics Environment Manager, and the two are VERY different in terms of capability.

GEM isn't even remotely close to Apple's System software.

The ST, popular as it was, was a rush-job based on reference hardware and existing technology after Tramiel stupidly turned down the Lorraine concept that became Amiga.

I'm not bashing the ST here; I had one then and I have one now. It simply is not related to the Macintosh, other than being a fairly obvious copy (partly down to the fact that this is where computers were going anyway, but electronically, the ST is enough of a Mac "clone" that you can bung Mac ROMs in the cartridge slot and only a small amount of code is required to make it into a better Mac than Apple produced - if you only want to consider available screen real estate, rather than whether or not the mouse feels like it was made by V-Tech, or the keyboard is sprung with tired latex gloves).

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Not Actually Apple's Fault

"A much more interesting article about the iPhone would have been how Apple managed to sucker the media into such a frenzy"

...but that's the weird thing - Jobs doesn't seem to try any harder than any other CEO/salesman when he pitches his new wares, they tech media just go absolutely nuts over the product whether it's great (iPhone) or distinctly mediocre (AppleTV). The essential problem now seems to be that Apple operates much like any other large CE/ computer company as regards keynotes and advertising, but the world of sameness (whether Windows or Symbian based) that characterises most CE/computer announcements throws Apple's somewhat different products into sharp relief.

Of course, the insecure (call them fanboys, anti-fanboys if you wish) interperet all this as some kind of vast conspiracy, and accuse Apple of creating junk products merely to try and bolster their self-worth, but the fact remains that Apple is just knocking out product after product with a BIT more style and a BIT more functionality here and there, and the design-starved market (and their press) treat it like manna from heaven.

What's sad isn't Apple's performance, but the performance of companies like Nokia, Microsoft and Motorola. Those fuckers let us down at every opportunity. Nokia N95 free with a contract? Sounds like the right price at last for that particular technological car-crash.

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Ian

iPhone fastest selling phone in AT&T's history?

So what. It's hardly an achievement to sell this well when the US phone market is so utterly backwards. The US never had phones like the Nokia 7650, which was years ahead of it's time, 5 years ago it can do more than the iPhone does now and in some cases better. Granted it lacks the modern megapixels and storage space but those are to be expected, when a phone could run Doom perfectly including multiplayer via Bluetooth 5 years ago, something iPhone users could only dream of it really does show how backwards the iPhone and the US phone market are.

The iPhone has a great UI, erm well again, so what? My grandma can use a mobile phone and kids certainly don't struggle to use them you only have to go to a school of any age range to see kids quite happily using them, if these people are using them fine then what use is a new UI that if anything would force these people to relearn how to use their phone?

The iPhone is for the US market, it's arguable that there's some truth in the "dumb yanks" argument when suggesting a new UI is required to make phones useable as mobile uptake in Asia and Europe is certainly higher than anyone could hope for over the last 10 years. It really does seem the iPhone's success is based on America's stupidity thus far, again, where the achievement exactly?

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re: "facts" to consider

The "facts you bang on about are just statements, no factual evidence at all..

>>consider the facts:

>>- The Apple design department is arguably the best in the world, in any industry.

OK i'll give you that one sto start.... they do have good designers.

>> - Phones are status symbols so looks are extremely important

Only to sad losers... Phones are phones for making..."Phone calls" so thats not a "FACT"

>> - Apple has a real operating system which beats the pants off of symbian or win mobile, which can do things the others can only dream about

Are you talking about a mobile OS? I donlt think it does "beat the pants off" symbian.... Sweeping statement, not a fact...

>> - Apple has the imagination to invent new things that people actually want

Im what way is the Iphone NEW. It offers nothing new to joe public that any "smart" phone from the last 2 years could do. They used to be pretty creative, but with the iPhone, they are just trying to jump on the "Smartphone" band wagon and hope to keep some of the iPod market tat would have been lost by ppl using other smartphones. And that will probably work. so thats not a fact either.

So, 1 out of 4 for your facts.

Realistically, yes I think the iphone will be a success for the sad losers who do need a status symbol over functionality... and I hope teh next gen of iphone does get better and add more features... nokia etc al need a kickin the pants to get them designing decent phones again...

Otherwise give my my n73 anyday (and that was free, not x hundred dollers)

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Dan

Depressingly familiar debate

When Tarantino released 'Jackie Brown' many were shocked to see that far from being another 'Pulp Fiction' it was just quite a good film. The only thing that defines the iphone is that it is marketed by Apple and has an 'i' in it. All the rest is just unbelievably tedious hype. If a smaller/less regarded/notorious manufacturer put out something resembling this product then they would receive significant kudos. But, as we are talking about Apple, the iphone has to be the most exciting and revolutionary product since the combustion engine. Its not, it doesn't re-define anything. It is just another quite good phone in a saturated market. The vast majority of people who purchase the iphone merely do so to become part of a faux-exclusive club. And those who do so on the product's own merit will have to live with the stigma.

Besides which, when it gets to the UK - doubtless with huge fanfare and much camping outside 'exclusive outlets' - the iphone will become the most stolen consumer device of all time, a kind of holy grail for theives, chavvies and chancers. I can just see the headlines now...and it makes me feel tired inside. Not withstanding all the pathetic spin-off peripherals vying for a share of the gadget-conscious moron's cash.

The Apple iphone: balls to it.

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Blind Windows Users

Wintel fanbois remind me of Republicans. Happy to criticise, but can't take any criticism. Can see fault in others but see no fault in their own.

From a large proportion of the comments i've seen from people who like Apple products here i've seen them both acknowledge strengths and weaknesses of Apple products. I do not see the same from those who prefer Windows products.

They also seem to be under some misinformed illusion that Apple users see the company as infalable or flawless. I personally don't know a single user of Apple products who holds this attitude, yet this is what Wintel fanbois keep saying is the case.

Too much empassioned blind sighted ranting on here lately, and not enough discussion of points in a more level headed manner. Actually citing real life examples/references, rather than saying how their best mates friends brothers kids pet dog used an Apple product, and how terrible Apple are as a company for releasing something so horrid.

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Andrew responds...

Rhett -

If it's taking you 13 steps to launch Opera Mini, then add it to your shortcuts button. That's the silver one on the right of the D-Pad. You'll then be able to launch Opera Mini in 2 steps. Consult your manual for further details.

Morely, calagan -

the Amiga and Atari were launched in 1985 - a year after the Mac. And I very much doubt the Mac Toolbox was based on GEM - they were developed independently. Fair point overall, though: the Atari was much, much cheaper than the Mac and the Amiga had real multitasking.

Tim - cheers, attribution fixed. Keep up the good work at PiC.

Nikolaus -

"Those two facts would tell you that Apple is in the mobile phone market to stay. ..."

Never judge a phone until you've seen three quarters worth of data. Some of Nokia's biggest flops have "exceeded expectations" in the first quarter, only to find a tiny niche.

"... To rule."

Yes, I can hear the trumpets already.

"Does this mean I should end my genetic experiment to cross-pollinate a Mac user with a Scientologist to produce the world's most pompous asshole?"

Oooh, missus!

Or the world's most predictable conversationalist ;-)

In my experience almost all of my fellow Mac users care rather less about their choice of tool than PC users. The creepy cult part of the user base is quite small. They just make a lot of noise, and give the rest of us a bad name.

Valan Chan -

"A much more interesting article about the iPhone would have been how Apple managed to sucker the media into such a frenzy!"

It would be a pretty short piece, though, wouldn't it? Maybe we could take a sociological or anthropological approach. Do any readers know of any academic studies of voluntary infantalization?

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Most important point...

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Or, you may suffer from a crippling social condition where it's simply too terrifying to ask someone for directions.

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Like being male you mean? That's ~ 50% of the world's population you're talking about there, pretty big potential market on that basis alone!

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