A 45-year-old biker who thought it was a bright idea to give speed cameras the two-finger treatment while travelling at up to 105mph, on the grounds that his visor was obscuring his face and he had no registration plate on the front of his BMW, has been banned for a year, The Telegraph reports. Bus driver Philip Coffey appeared …
How on earth did they get his registration number then? The article implies he was dissin' a front facing camera (i've, err...done the same myself on occasion so I'd *really* like to know ;)
The number plate...
was on the front?
That's why you should put your visor down. Stops your eyes from watering. And flies. Bunblebee up your noise at 80+ really stings.....
They could've found him by trawling the registration database for that make of bicycle, age of owner, geographic location, etc and narrowing it down to a single rider.
Of course, the Government assures us this sort of fishing expedition will never happen with the ID card database...
They asked bmw who owned that model in bedfordshire
They searched the national registration database and liaised with BMW to reveal that only 3 of these BMWs were registered in Bedfordshire. The search was then narrowed down to Coffey when his leathers were found to match those on the pictures but also, his additional headlights gave police extra clues to go on.
So to get away with it
.....Get an R1, much like a clitoris, every tw&%s got one ......
What a fool
What an idiot! This guy not only feels smug that he can evade detection but has to literally stick two fingers up at the law at the same time. no wonder the police made a bit more of an effort to track him down and nail the fool. Anyway, anyone wanting to see an image of said offence can go to http://www.leightonbuzzardonline.co.uk/news?articleid=2884995
Is 105mph speeding?
So the police asked BMW, and got the address of
all the owners? And then they found an owner with same clothes?
More info please???
Amazing he got up to 105mph really, being an old man on a beemer
not really trawling ...
... as any flavour of the DPA includes getouts for "law enforcement".
And I'm not one of the "if it saves one child brigade, but I'm sure there'd be an outcry if this character had killed someone, been flashed going past a GATSO, and the police shrugged their shoulders and said "can't do anything - DPA".
The last thing we need is another excuse for the police to do s*d all.
I'm glad this moron was caught, there are far too many numbskulls like him on the roads.
Did BMW freely give the Police the data? If so, aren't they in breach of the Data Protection Act? The Police are not allowed to give anybody/organisation somebody's details without a court order - are BMW exempt?
I'm not saying that the guy shouldn't be punished - I'm just questioning wether a company (which probably has a lot of personal details relating to it's customers) should be releasing personal information so readily.
Hahahaha he'd been doing this for months......according to the news if he'd got points for it he'd have 72!
Don't worry about ID cards and road pricing tags being used for the same thing........Tony Blair & Gordon Brown told us all that wouldn't happen......
am glad this type of police work goes on
On top of the fact that we have one less moron driving buses, we also get to understand how the police work and processes they'll use when they get that order form the government to activate a totalitarian society.
There is huge a list of things we will be able to do once they become totally reliant on technology to undermine it with relative ease.
Someone gets caught...
And yet again everyone talks as if they're saints that
never go above 70mph.
I'd bet not one of the commenters here hasn't
been up over 100mph.
Which if driven sensibly can be perfectly safe.
The speed cameras probably on a perfectly straight bit of road,
and he probably wasn't near anyone when he hit 105.
Theres far more dangerous drivers round here that
don't even get above 30.
On a side note, the v's shouldn't be offensive to anyone British.
Don't forget kids, the DPA is to protect data FROM you, not data ABOUT you.
I love the idea that it's 'taking on the system' that's the real crime here...
Did BMW freely give the Police the data? Not necessarily...
They only needed to ask BMW what that model was, then look in the DVLA records for any registered users of that model in the surrounding areas, and then pay each a visit, or, even easier, simply observe them in situ on the road, take plenty of pics, compare the leathers to the ones in the photos and Bob's their uncle.
BMW sells out!
It nice to see BMW join the list of corporations selling out its customers to the government.
It is more proof Mr. Gibson was at least 30 years ahead of his time.
I hope future bikers take BMW's behavior into account when they make their next motorcycle purchase and they flip the V at BMW.
Of course he was simply being stupid
Instead of speeding in front of the cameras, he could have been doing what all the terrorists are doing - drive sedately past the camera, then, once out of view, stop the bike, take the explosive device out of the saddlebags, walk back to the camera (keeping *behind* the lens at all times, of course, and making sure there are no visible mirrors), affix the explosives to the camera and either set the timer, or slip the photosensor up in front of the flashgun, so that the camera is then permanently removed from service at a pre-determined time, or when the next poor stupid sod exceeds the limit.
It's at least the sort of misbehavior that's likely to be more popular with the general public than treating PC Plod like a Norman bastard.
RE: Data protection
Look, the police already know who owns what bike and where, what they don't know is how to tell one model from the next. I would say BMW almost certainly helped in just identifying the exact model of bike in question, thus allowing Mr Plod to trawl through his nice little registration database.
So, to not get caught, make sure you only do this sort of thing far from home....
(But anyway, why is the fact he has a helmet relevant in any way at all? Having a pic of a driver's face is only helpful when the owner of a known vehicle says it wasn't them driving - as far as I know, there is not yet a national database of every citizen's face nor the tools to make searching it remotely feasible.)
Between the devil and the deep blue sea...
"just questioning wether a company should be releasing personal information so readily."
The company probably weighed up the relative repercussions between, on the one hand, the risks incurred by releasing personal information and, on the other, the risk incurred by increasing their reputation as a company that sells expensive toys to wankers.
They can't always be bothered
I say this because someone other than me with an appilla did the self same thing and got away with it. There's probably more of that model of Appila than of the BMW though....
Makes me want a motor bike.
The R1100 can quite comfortably hold 105 all day, and with the fairing there is no arm-strain !
The police would have made a section 29 request for information; this would have made it clear that the request was for the prevention or detection of crime thus allowing BMW to provide details without breaching the Act.
RE: Data Protection
No but the DVLA can just match up the registered owners details to the Driving licence photo library....
Re: Data protection
"... as far as I know, there is not yet a national database of every citizen's face..."
Exactly - *not yet*
People talk about speed limits in the UK and say if we raise them there would be more accidents. The reality is people are driving over them on a daily basis and motorways are our safest roads statistically.
However you have the rogue few who drive like maniacs regardless of road conditions. Owners of powerful motorbikes are the worst, always overtaking due to their sheer impatience and lust for excitement.
The most accidents on bikes occur 125cc and under, then 250cc and over. It's the scooters and powerful bike owners who ruin the reputation of bikers.
Re: Re: Data protection
"... as far as I know, there is not yet a national database of every citizen's face..."
Exactly - *not yet*"
Sure about that? That's what they'd like you to believe.. ;)
... he wasn't shaving/reading the map/having coffee/talking on the phone...
... in fact, he's so good that he's completely in control of his bike with only one hand on the bar...
.... But sure, he's "dangerous"... (and a bit too cocky)
Police Out Of Control
Hello?? Anyone else find it more than a bit creepy that all that needs to happen for data protection laws is for Police to get pissed off?
Speeding is one of those things that's not even a proper law. Who was harmed by this offense? No one. No victim, no crime.
Yet the cops get to cross reference databases in best Nazi tradition just to find this guy? Spending God knows how much money and time on this?
Because of what? Protecting society from a 45 year old bus driver on a BMW. Wow, thanks I feel a lot safer now. How about catching some real criminals you idiots?
Shame on BMW for helping with that. Guess they do sell a lot of bikes to Police...
Don't get me wrong, I am fairly passionately against the steady slide towards totalitarian restrictions that are progressively being placed upon us in the name of 'protecting our freedoms' but speeding is one thing I really cannot care about. Yes I speed, I know the rules, and if I get caught (not in the last 17 years) then I accept my punishment with poor grace. But it's my punishment for being stupid, and committing a crime, and being caught. Speeding isn't some sort of Robin Hood offence, neither is it a cry for freedom, it is simply choosing to disobey the law for my own personal benefit. Absolutely regardless of whether the camera is on a straight road, a corner, hidden in a puddle, or tracking me from orbit. Every time I speed I make a personal judgement as to whether I am likely to get away with it, and because I don't particularly push the boat out, I generally have.
The man was a twat. Everyone who has ever attacked a speed camera is a twat. Everyone who has ever two fingered a camera is a twat. If you are unhappy with the cameras vote against them Campaign against them. We do not *yet* live in a world where direct action is justified, and moaning about speed cameras on here and in the pub is not going to stop the surveillance society - it is simply allowing us proles to get incensed about something irrelevant whilst the real freedoms are destroyed.
It's easy to track down someone in a rare vehicle. I have done it, and I am not a policeman, nor am I an employee of any agency of the government. Or anything else interesting for that matter.
BMW identified the model, Inspector Knacker knocked on a few appropriate doors, and asked to see the rider's leathers. Not exactly brain science, and not even close to a DPA information request.
When it's a bike you could do it by going to a bikers pub and asking around. Probably not whilst dressed as a police officer admittedly. And possibly not when it's a beamer. Perhaps a wine bar instead.
To all the whinging about the persons driving habits . . .
. . . think Darwin Theory.
I, personally, use the Basic Speed Law: go as fast as the weather and traffic allows. 50-120 mph, whatever. Then let evolution take a swipe at ya.
so far so good. I wonder if any police in the state of WAh read this? hmmmmm
This guy is probably just fed-up like the rest of us as the new UK pocket animal attacks our wallets as we make the smallest of mistakes. I was worried for ages waiting for the bill to drop through the letter box after travelling the 400 miles to Cornwall in the car.. Thinking I had been captured by a speed camera within very long road works (within the speed limit too.) I speeded up after seeing a de-restriction sign only to be presented with a further average speed camera a few hundred yards down the road. I sh@t myself! Thinking.. 'Oh No' They've got me! I wasn't sure where I stood after that or what to expect :(
To save the post mental stress next time I may use the TT bike ;)
"125cc and under or 250cc and over".
Funny, but that would make 200cc bikes among the best ridden. When I was 19 and had an RD200 I rode like a complete bloody idiot, so must of been an exception.
125cc to 250cc
Not sure how it is on the British side of the pond, but over here there are no street bikes being sold that are between 125cc and 250cc. My 250cc is seen as tiny by my fellow riders.
To Mr ChriZ, yes there are indeed people who haver never been over 100mph. Never been over 90 mph either actually. Yes I've been over 70 ... when its safe to do so, but there is a difference between 100+ and in control and over 70 and in control. That applies even more so on a motorbike. Do we really have to analyse the effect of a gust of wind on someone at 70 and someone at 100 on a 2 wheeled vehicle?
Oi! Not so much of the 'old'!
"Amazing he got up to 105mph really, being an *old man* on a beemer"
He was 45!That's not old! We all know the BMW association with pipe, cardigan and slippers, and so maybe in terms of 'functional age' it gives him an extra couple of years, but come on!
50-y-o VFR750 rider (but very safe)
Gust of wind?
Now, we dont- it's irrelevant. A motorcycle travelling at speed has a huge amount of forward mometum and it would take more than a gust of wind. A hurricane maybe.
Steal one next time
So basically if he'd stolen a bike he would have got away with it?
Re: Over 100mph
Er, when was the last time you heard a biker being swept off his bike by a gust of wind?
105mph is safe, is it?
If someone pulls out in front of you at 70, when you are doing 105, it's the same as if someone steps into the road in front of you when you're doing 35. You haven't got a chance of evading them.
On a motorway, it's bad enough. But judging by the picture, he was doing 105mph near a junction on a normal road. And he's not done it once - he's done it over and over again.
Of course it's dangerous. And I for one am delighted the police went the extra mile to nail him.
. . . shame he had a licence really as well, because round here stolen / speeding / no licence / no insurance would get the guy about £80 fine and 9 points (on the lic he doesn't have of course)
I'm not saying that the 'system' is designed to get money out of those who can afford to pay rather than those who commit crimes of course
I am a biker with 12 years riding experience. I currently ride a suzuki gsxr k7 1000. I think you will find it would take a lot more than a "gust" of wind to knock a rider of at 100 mph, let alone 70. The braking distance of a bike is a lot less than a car in respect to control and obviously a lot quicker at acceleration. I have been involved in 2 motorbike accidents and both of them involved car drivers that were not observing the road and they're surroundings. One involving a lady driver that was more worried about her makeup than looking in front of her car to realize that i had stopped at a junction and the other involving a van pulling out in front of me. I think any speed, even up to 170mph can be safe if applied in the right conditions, i.e time of day, weather, level of traffic and the type of road your on.. I have also given the birdy to speed cameras but only as bravado and was traveling underneath the required speed limit.
No love for speed Cameras.
"Do we really have to analyse the effect of a gust of wind on someone at 70 and someone at 100 on a 2 wheeled vehicle?"
Excuse me? Have you ever ridden a motorbike of any kind, let a lone the 1100cc machine this guy is on? A gust of wind does not send you hurtling out of control! Geesh I have ridden in gail force winds on bikes with and without fairing. Guess what? I was in control of the bike.
Bikers over take because it is easier and safer than in car, we are not all idiots just because we pass a bunch of cars. There are maniac bikers just the same as maniac school bus drivers/car drivers/taxi drivers/lorry drivers, however there are far less distractions on a motorbike, no fiddling with the radio or being distracted by the the screaming kids and wife, no eating/smoking/drinking as we ride along, an experienced rider can ride fast and safe withing the conditions of the road. It's not like this guy was reading the paper at 105mph unlike some car drivers I have seen on the motorways
"The most accidents on bikes occur 125cc and under, then 250cc and over. It's the scooters and powerful bike owners who ruin the reputation of bikers."
Those statistics make no sense what so ever, name your source.
If the guy was traveling in a 30/40 zone at that speed then he was an idiot, my guess is he is on a daul carriage way or faily major A road in what looks to be quite clear conditions from what I can see in the phote. I am also betting that if he hadn't given the V's the cops wouldn't have bothered, they went after him because he gave the two fingered solute not because of his speed.
That's my two pence worth
I used to own a rather battered and beaten Rover 214 (Rust coloured with a hint of paint).
For me the national speed limit was a wild and unobtainable dream. Anything over 40mph and things started to drop off. The only time it got close to 70mph was when it was on the back of the AA recovery truck.
National Face Database
I think the new biometric passport system already holds info on our photos?
At least, if you go to renew your license on the DVLA website they say you can enter your passport number and a new license will be despatched to you...
For the comments on speeding, 70mph is the limit. If you are caught over that limit then dont be surprised if you get fined. End of.
For the DPA stuff, BMW has all the rights to say what has been sold/not sold in an area as long as they dont say who it is sold to... So, if they sold three bikes in one place then all the Police needed to do is trace those three bikes...
"there is a difference between 100+ and in control and over 70 and in control. That applies even more so on a motorbike. Do we really have to analyse the effect of a gust of wind on someone at 70 and someone at 100 on a 2 wheeled vehicle?"
erhm... Obviously this reader has never ridden a bike - which is a pity because it would mean that one wouldn't have to give such misinformed comments. At least referring back to your time in phyiscs class when you were talking about rotational inertia and such; The faster you go, the more stable the motorbike is. Therefore the forces to push you off direction need to be greater.
Ergo; The faster you go, the less likely you are to have your direction changed by the wind...
*sigh* I wish people who have an opinion about issues like this would actually have _some_ sort of knowledge about it. And judges and _all_ police officers should have to ride a bike to and from work for at least two years before they should be allowed to even have an opinion about bikes...
And to top it off: Speed has _never_ killed anyone (sadly the sudden lack of speed does a lot of harm).
How many man hours?
It's nice to know that we can sleep safely in our beds tonight now that matey won't be on the road for a year. I just wonder if his motorbike had been stolen or vandalised would the police spent so long on the case? Doubt it. Many thanks to BMW for being so public spirited, I'm sure BMW owners will appreciate their contribution.
The police don't care about what is and isn't legal
Speed cameras - don't worry
It's not speed that's the issue, it's distance.
And if you see the cameras in time or just generally check your speed, drive carefully and stay within the law you'll still end up with some pig-ignorant car driver, police officer or not, right up your arse and perhaps even staring at their speedo too.
So all you boys in blue who think it's clever to measure speed by following so closely beware....
I'm going to be fitting a camera to my vehicles soon - I've called it the insurance spy but actually the information may be used to prosecute idiots...
You have been warned.
Another anti-bike stitch up
I've had a bike for 3 years and it's been my only form of transport. I can tell you that *no* biker will travel in situations that they do not feel safe. Yes, this bloke was speeding and breaking the law. And a V sign probably wasn't particularly smart. But this does not mean that he was driving unsafely.
If it's blowing a gale or tipping it down, we slow down, just like anyone else. If it's fine, then we can go faster, as bikes are more agile and controllable than a car. But every biker will match their speed to the conditions, cos if we screw up, we're DEAD. We don't have the comfort of the cage that make car drivers feel invincible.
It's actually easier, and therefore safer, to travel at appropriate speeds for the conditions than it is sticking to the speed limit. This is because we can concentrate on the road and what others are doing, rather than constantly watching the speedo.
There was a recent analysis (look it up on MCN if you want), that stated that speed was the major factor in an accident in only 5% of cases. The vast majority were caused by poor observation and error on the part of the non-biker.
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